<p>"Still, because [Asians] are in such a highly competitive subgroup, they are admitted to the Ivies at a lower rate than other groups, with about one in every 15 gaining entry compared with an average of one in 10, Shaw said."</p>
<p>I think its funny how her family is worrying so much about her getting into an Ivy school that they hired a consultant, and moved to a different neighborhood. I would be happy just knowing that I would be able to pay for an Ivy if I got in.</p>
<p>ive been told and ive heard from many places, that im disadvantaged int he college admissions process. you cant just say the more qualified applicant wins. we cant forget race. because that simply isnt the way it works. im asian, and i know that some colleges im applying to probably have quotas, or point systems, or something of that nature.</p>
<p>I'm asian... and i hate how people utilize race. I don't mean the adcoms. But obviously, if you get rejected... you just aren't the sure bet for that school. Although you can fight... well if you had teh same stats as a white applicant... or better...</p>
<p>Those are all excuses. Individuals get accepted or rejected from college based on merit. I totally believe that. It's when you use excuses like the asian-disadvantage that such falsehoods begin to take root in reality. When you choose to acknowledge it as possible--it hinders what would otherwise be your limitless potential. There is no glass cieling in the real world, either you're good enough or you're not. If you're not one of the best, then that's the end of discussion.</p>
<p>The problem is that Asians are ORM - over represented minority.
Colleges are influenced by our society to reach out to URM.
The concept of URM is interesting from a social point of view.
- Women in executive suites
- Male nurses
- White basket ball player
- Asian ball player (baseball, basketball, football)
- White graduate students
- Women engineer
- African american, hispanic, or native american college student
I'm sure you can think of more and find your URM niche,
if you're so inclined. Sorry, I digress.</p>
<p>I actually think the white person has the better chance. With all of the highly qualified Asians who are Asian American and all of those coming from Asia, theyhave their pick And Asians score higher on the SATs. White is becomming a urm.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, white doesn't qualify for the 'M' in URM.
They are still the majority in college stats ...
except at UC Berkeley and UCLA where they're definitely URM.</p>
<p>I'm applying whether it's true or not. What the adcoms think of my ethnicity is totally out of my control. I'd rather spend my time picking which college I like best than worrying which one likes me.</p>
<p>haha, being a white girl would prolly help me more than being an asian girl. maybe i should considering engineering, mhmmm...</p>
<p>it just seems like asians are held to a higher standard. presented with an asian with a M/V 1400, and a caucasion with a 1400... imo, ppl usually think it's easy to find another asian with a higher score, but for the white it's a pretty solid score.</p>
<p>Don't know who said 'If you can't beat them, join them'.
Here's the Eminem generation wisdom for you ...
'If you can't join them, beat them'. </p>
<p>I've heard that some Universities in China and India are
well on their track to beat american universities in their prowess
in research and churning out top notch talent.
I haven't done this, but it'll be interesting to track
how many top notch asian prof's teach at the Ivies,
publish papers, guide graduate students etc.</p>
<p>Another one for you.<br>
'If you can't join them, teach them'</p>
<p>it sucks to be me..Chinese Canadian in need of Fin.aid >< btw, i'm applying to the school which are need-blind for canadians (ivys except for Brown)</p>
<p>I think it's pretty ridiculous that whites continue to <em>have</em> to be the dominant group at most colleges. Sooner or later, it won't be unusual to find an equal, or closer to equal, number of each race in universities. I always hear of smart Asians everywhere, but I don't see it that often. It may be true that statistically, Asians have the highest marks of the minority races, but it's far from the truth that all Asians are smart. In fact, of all the Asians in my grade (650 total), approximately 10 are in the honors/AP track. Sure, the 10 Asians outnumber the Hispanics or Blacks, but none (including myself) are extraordinary. There are only two Asian males who are in the top 5% of our class and each of us has an SAT score of approximately 1400. The remainder of the top 5% are white students with scores of around 1400 as well.</p>
<p>Maybe the idea of a super, duper smart Asian is more prevalent in private schools or more urban schools (somewhere like NY), but here, there's very few within the public schools in this area (Philly suburbs). I'm curious of what others have to say about it. It's true that Asians may be 'smart', but it's a shame that if we're on the tennis team and play the violin, it'll be held against us. This is just from my experiences with the whole situation. How many of you actually know of a <em>significant</em> number (I use the word 'significant' loosely) of Asians that are super duper smart? I just feel that the number of first generation Asian American hardworkers are becoming more "normal". Opinions?</p>
<p>By the way, I like the conversation; I've heard it a million times, but what's one more time? ;)</p>
<p><em>le sigh</em> I wish I was a smart Asian...but alas, I am not. </p>
<p>Believe me, Asian stereotypes do not hold true. (Sophomore PSAT Math score = 470) There ya go...living proof of a stupid Asian. Too bad they don't take this kind of URM. XD</p>
<p>Consider this: An Asian American applicant with a strong record of accomplishment who comes from a single-parent household with an income of less than $40,000.</p>
<p>My little sister fits that profile. How much of an edge does her family and financial situation give her over her Asian peers?</p>
<p>LOL, this thread reminds me of the time that my parents seriously considered changing my last name (to something other than my name right now, which is obviously asian) and not filling in the race box so that I wouldn't be considered Asian...</p>
<p>being asian does matter! Although, i am neither asian or white i have read some books on the college process. According to Michele Hernandez your race will only help you if you are native american, or anything to that extent. Being white or asian can only hurt you, say in the time of too much asian applications. the school cannot except everyone to their school since their quota for asians was met already. In a way, its first come first serve</p>