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There are 3.2 students WITHOUT TAP that get in too!
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<p>CHances of that are substantially lower. If u're tap, u're put in a different category from everyone else b/c guaranteed priority admission</p>
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TAP helps you.
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Tap does a lot more than help. It gives u priority admission. UCLA is fair, they know u go thru trouble taking harder classes that require more work. They reward u by making every possible effort to admitt u. Why do u think they let u pick an alternative major. THey really want u. Thats why if there is space they'll take all the qualified applicants. and gabe u know what it means to be qualified for UCLA.</p>
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TAP doesn't guarantee you admission.
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UCLA would never call anything guaranteed that would give them a bad rep. But all evidence says that it's pretty close</p>
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GPA is more important than being TAP certified.
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<p>I already addressed this.</p>
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UCLA is fair
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<p>The TAP program would be inherently unfair if it made TOO much of a difference on overall admissions because many california community colleges do not offer it.</p>
<p>guess what? it did. </p>
<p>U took that quote out of context. I was referring to the fact that tap classes are harder and thats why ucla rewards these students for doing them</p>
<p>I will end my involvement in this by posting the rest of that article from smc, which is by far #1 in ucla transfer. it's credible source,.</p>
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With stats like these, its no surprise that the Scholars Program is growing rapidly, particularly as admission into UCLA and other campuses gets tougher. Indeed, the number of students in the widely praised program has increased by more than half in the past five years from 450 to 700. </p>
<p>History Professor
Christine Schultz
in classroom </p>
<p>This is an incredible program, says counselor Teresa Garcia, Scholars Program leader. The students are a diverse and amazing group who are given special opportunities, and the faculty and counselors are highly dedicated. </p>
<p>A groundbreaking project when it was started in 1985, Scholars is an honors program that puts higher demands on its students, helping them to improve their writing, research, and critical thinking skills. It also provides special counseling, workshops, and college tours. </p>
<p>Scholars students have to maintain at least a 3.1 grade point average (slightly higher than a B average) and are required to take at least one Scholars class each semester, though many take more than one. Scholars courses are offered in a wide range of disciplines, including English, political science, psychology and economics. The classes are smaller (25 students) and involve more research, writing and critical thinking. </p>
<p>SMC Scholars counselor
Teresa Garcia with SMC
student Jennifer Hardy<br>
The Scholars classes were more challenging and interesting, and the teachers were more relaxed, says Erika Nadir, a 50-year-old Italian major who transferred to UCLA last fall and who has a perfect 4.0 average. The musical equivalent to these classes was riffing everyone knew the melody because they had read the assignment. </p>
<p>Luis Roberto Jauregui, 20, also in his first year at UCLA, agrees. The Scholars Program prepared me really well for UCLA. We were required to do research projects at SMC, which really helps because that is a big part of every class at UCLA, he said. </p>
<p>Garcia acknowledges that the program attracts motivated students, but it also reaches a significant number of students who are teetering and need extra help and attention. Many students do not initially see themselves as honors material, but thrive once admitted to the program, Garcia said. </p>
<p>Economics Professor
William Konya in classroom.<br>
When I initially heard about the Scholars Program, I did not want to apply because I assumed the curriculum would be too challenging, said SMC student Barbara Lopez. After an instructor recommended that I apply, I was ecstatic when I received the acceptance letter. I now feel I have more confidence in performing work that is a mirror of UCLA. </p>
<p>Another advantage of being in the Scholars program is that a student can actually have a lower grade point average than a non-Scholars student to get into UCLA. While a Scholars student needs a 3.1 GPA, a non-Scholars SMC student needs a 3.3 or higher, depending on the major. </p>
<p>Psychology Professor
Karen Gunn in classroom.<br>
Some Scholars students are not necessarily interested in transferring to the partner universities UCLA, UC Irvine, Loyola Marymount, Occidental, Chapman, Pomona and Mills. But they recognize the value of the program, not only for the academic experience it provides but also for its added weight on transcripts. </p>
<p>Preston Brasch, 19, plans to transfer to a small liberal arts school this fall, such as Beloit in Wisconsin or Reed in Oregon. The German/pre-med major says he realizes that being in the Scholars program will work to his advantage to getting into a four-year school. And he enjoys the Scholars courses. </p>
<p>The professors really take an interest in the students, he said, and the students are more engaged in classroom discussions. </p>
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<p>It's a biased source because it is advertising for the program; hopefully you realize that.</p>
<p>3.2 and tap certified? foothill college requires a 3.5 to be tap certified. i guess its diff. for diff schools... but w/ foothill's tap its something like 90+% of applicants getting in to ucla</p>
<p>Yes, there is pressure on schools to raise the GPA required for TAP so that students won't be misled by the 3.0 or 3.2 requirements. Those lower requirements usually come from the schools' honors programs.</p>
<p>Gabe, say what you want, but a 3.2 GPA will give you the TAP certification. And thats the ticket to UCLA. The 2/94 might've lied or not fulfilled their requirements. </p>
<p>A 3.2 and TAP will at least give you your backup major. End of story. And gabe, you have no say agaisnt it, I've heard from the students themselves.</p>
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Gabe, say what you want, but a 3.2 GPA will give you the TAP certification. And thats the ticket to UCLA. The 2/94 might've lied or not fulfilled their requirements.
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<p>Frankly, you don't present any evidence. You act like TAP is a guarantee; it's not. If you choose a selective major and a selective backup major, there is a significant chance you will be rejected if you have a 3.2 TAP. That's based on the transfer profile.</p>
<p>Gabe, how about some "evidence" for EVERY THING you said about TAP? your evidence would be the counselors from the TAP conference whereas mine would be the actual students that attend UCLA this year. I don't need to provide you with evidence, my posts were for the topic starter. </p>
<p>I can't undestand why you're so bitter.</p>
<p>This is ridiculous; you must have missed the three core contentions I made above. I never rejected the idea that someone with a 3.2, TAP certified or not TAP certified, can get into UCLA (your "actual students that attend UCLA" evidence). Here are my points:</p>
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<p>TAP doesn't guarantee you admission.</p>
<p>GPA is more important than being TAP certified.
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<p>Unquestionably, you and anyone else who disagrees with these, needs to provide evidence. The burden of proof is on you to show that TAP is more important than GPA, for instance, or to show how TAP changes the process overall. Otherwise, the evidence from the transfer profile is sufficient; also, if you provided evidence, I would do the work to get the quotes from the counselor sources I have discussed.</p>
<p>"The Director of Undergraduate Admissions at UCLA addressed this idea at last years (2002) TAP Conference at UCLA. She said, A 3.0 grade point average may certify a student as a TAP student; it may not get a student in. In light of the increasing demand for admissions, the GPAs for many universities are steadily moving up the scale. The Director also stated that, UCLA simply could not accept students who were barely making the Honors Scholar Programs required 3.0 GPA.</p>
<p>Not about a 3.2, but about a TAP 3.0 student.</p>
<p>All this gabew guy does is argue and aruge and argue grow up homeboy. Make some friends, do something. Your endless baiting of people on this board is getting real old.</p>
<p>ok so... chances for me w/ TAP + 3.67 GPA - upward trend in gpa</p>
<p>first choice: math/econ joint major
only had grades to report for all econ requirements & up to math 1b... but will finish the rest (math 1c, math1d, math 2a, math 2b, cis 15a, math 22) by the end of spring (fingers crossed)
& 4.0 major gpa thusfar</p>
<p>second choice: econ
finished all courses / reported grades
something like 3.8 major gpa (1 course (engl1b) w/ a B grade)</p>
<p>no exciting ec's. a couple clubs, part time work</p>
<p>i know you guys are prob really sick of these.
but i figured since some of you know some admits... maybe you can give me some inside info on these pretty competitive majors (well, atleast econ is)</p>
<p>BTW... anyone know anyone doing the 'human complex systems' minor. it looks fascinating but i wanna see if i can get some inside info on that, too.</p>
<p>ok thanks!</p>
<p>i donno if u guys care, but i know a guy who did TAP and had a 3.2 and got rejected to UCLA. He even applied as a Bio major and completed first semester of O Chem which is supposed to look good. i think the reason is that UCLA has to take into account other stuff... like ur essay/extra currics, etc. I highly doubt that they'd accept a kid with a 4.0 and TAP without any ECs and a horrible essay...</p>
<p>arch, bio is very impacted. Having done ochem is now a requirement starting next year. So, ur friend got rejected for a reason. We are talking about non impacted majors.</p>
<p>From the above SMC quote:
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Another advantage of being in the Scholars program is that a student can actually have a lower grade point average than a non-Scholars student to get into UCLA. While a Scholars student needs a 3.1 GPA, a non-Scholars SMC student needs a 3.3 or higher, depending on the major.
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<p>lol, it does seem to bump the gpa by .2</p>
<p>oh.. isn't econ impacted tho? i thought u guys wer talkin about econ</p>
<p>luba, i think u hav a pretty good chance...</p>
<p>arch, i know one person who got into bizecon w/ a 3.54 w/ out calc sequence, although he took one in the summer. W/ tap of course. good work expirience too.</p>