berkeley -- reach, match, or safety for me?

<p>some people have told me it's a safety, others match, and then there are always those that say "berkeley is a reach for most people".</p>

<p>so what do you actual ucb students think?</p>

<p>stats: 3.86 uw gpa, 4.6 w, 4.33 uc gpa i think
sat: 2140 (800 w, 740 cr, 600 m)
sat ii: 730 - lit, 710 - u.s. history</p>

<p>lots of passionate, long-term ec's, mostly concerning film (my passion).</p>

<p>people have said my essays are really good.</p>

<p>i'm an ELC student too.</p>

<p>so what do you guys think? reach, match, or safety?</p>

<p>oh, and i'm a cali resident of course! :)</p>

<p>definitely not safety. id say somewhere between match and reach. i had about the same except higher gpa, sat and sat ii’s. i take it you’re not going into engineering which you would be a big reach for. otherwise, you have about normal stats and ecs, just make your essays good and youll be fine.
the people from my school who got in had all-around higher scores than you, but the spring admits were on average worse. so you have a better chance of being a spring admit too.</p>

<p>40% in
55% out
15% spring admit</p>

<p>^ 40 + 55 + 15 = 110</p>

<p>:s</p>

<p>I assume that in intersection spring admit = 10…</p>

<p>reach to match</p>

<p>reach??? most of the applicants who were accepted in “applicant stats” have 600-range on all three sections, and each average score for berkeley in all three sections is a 600-range number. many have lower gpa than me too. i can understand saying it’s a match and not a safety. but where are you guys getting the “reach” for me?</p>

<p>People with 2300s get rejected. It’s just the way things work. Berkeley isn’t much of a match for anyone to be honest, but your chances seem pretty good, especially since you’re a California resident.</p>

<p>k, so what would make them accept someone with a 1900 over a 2300? (assuming they both have good gpa’s?) what are they looking for? do the ec’s matter a lot? (i think my ec’s are really good, so i’m not worried about that, just curious what they make their decision based off primarily.)</p>

<p>Match, but anything can happen.</p>

<p>thanks, reverb, i hope you’re right! :slight_smile: do you guys happen to know what they’re looking for exactly though? also, does one’s declared major make ANY difference at all? i’m probably gonna choose “english major” but is that like…too popular and would decrease my chances than if i chose, say, film studies or something?</p>

<p>I think if you are only applying to L&S, it should be a match/reach.</p>

<p>but why a reach though? i’m still confused about that since most people have 600-range in each section and my w and cr are way higher than berkeley’s averages. are you saying it’s a reach just cuz the acceptance rate is pretty low so it’s kinda a reach even for those that seem like matches? or is there some other reason?</p>

<p>Haha. I don’t think you should look at averages because there are some people that pull the average down. In reality, the average is probably 2100. I think anyone with a 2100 is a match/reach, because there is no guarantee. My friend with a 2200 got rejected haha. But yeah I’m sure if you wrote good essays it would be a safe match. I just agree with what people say - its’ hard for Berkeley to be a definite match or safety for anyone, unless they have like 2300s.</p>

<p>oh ok, i understand! thanks! :slight_smile: </p>

<p>just out of curiosity, the kind of people that would pull the averages down…are they athletic recruits or something? </p>

<p>oh and one more thing: since i have very high scores in w and cr, would the mediocre score in math hurt me much or at all?</p>

<p>If you’re asking for opinions, stop twisting them to fit your own.</p>

<p>If people are saying it’s a match / reach, why emphasize that YOU think it’s not a reach?</p>

<p>You asked for opinions and people kindly gave them. Accept them and move on. It’s not going to hinder you from trying, and your stats aren’t changing by now. So I personally wish you the best of luck, and I hope to see you there next year also.</p>

<p>As an alum, I think match to reach.</p>

<p>Straight from the UCB 2008-2009 Common Data Set
<a href=“http://cds.berkeley.edu/pdfs/PDF%20wBOOKMARKS%2008-09.pdf[/url]”>http://cds.berkeley.edu/pdfs/PDF%20wBOOKMARKS%2008-09.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Percent who had GPA of 3.75 and higher 91%</p>

<p>SAT Critical Reading 580 710
SAT Math 630 760
SAT Writing 600 720</p>

<p>Your unweighted gpa is a little bit below the middle of the 91% accepted. The 9% accepted below the 3.75 gpa probably have hooks like the athletes.
Your SAT CR and W is on the high end of the middle 50% but your SAT M is on the low end of the middle 50%.</p>

<p>Also it is unclear how the budget cut would affect admission this year. But most people think that less students would be accepted.</p>

<p>Oh, the common data set is for students enrolled, not accepted. Often, the stat for students accepted is even higher since students with high stats often have many choices.</p>

<p>"If you’re asking for opinions, stop twisting them to fit your own.</p>

<p>If people are saying it’s a match / reach, why emphasize that YOU think it’s not a reach?</p>

<p>You asked for opinions and people kindly gave them. Accept them and move on. It’s not going to hinder you from trying, and your stats aren’t changing by now."</p>

<p>no, i’m just trying to understand how ucb admissions works versus other schools, really. like what they’re looking for in an applicant. and if people think it’s a reach but it doesn’t add up with ucb’s averages, i have to be curious why. but it’s been explained, i guess…i mean, i still don’t know what would pull ucb’s averages down unless it’s recruited athletes? </p>

<p>“So I personally wish you the best of luck, and I hope to see you there next year also.”</p>

<p>thanks! :slight_smile: </p>

<p>"SAT Critical Reading 580 710
SAT Math 630 760
SAT Writing 600 720</p>

<p>Your unweighted gpa is a little bit below the middle of the 91% accepted. The 9% accepted below the 3.75 gpa probably have hooks like the athletes.
Your SAT CR and W is on the high end of the middle 50% but your SAT M is on the low end of the middle 50%."</p>

<p>wait i thought those numbers you presented WERE the middle 50%? like 25% got below 580 on the sat cr and 25% got above 710? or how does it work? :-/</p>

<p>Yes, that is what middle 50% mean. Keep in mind that usually the bottom students have some hooks.</p>

<p>Since UCB accepts about 20% of its applicants and perhaps less due to budget cut, to have a good chance, you really should have stats above the average.</p>

<p>Also if you look through the common data set doc, gpa/classes is considered more than test scores. Given that you are ELC with a 3.86 uw gpa, that shows your high school is not that competitive. That could be a pro or a con. If the high school is at the bottom, then it can be a pro due to disadvantage environment. If not, then it is a con since adcom usually knows the gpa variance of the various high schools.</p>

<p>so then my cr and w would be ABOVE the middle 50% and my math would be below the middle 50%? so that means i DO have scores above the average in the cr and w but below in the math. well, that still sounds pretty good imo.</p>

<p>also my hs isn’t at the bottom i don’t think. it’s pretty new (only 10 years old) so it might be low due to that, hasn’t really had time to get to the top. but i think it’s already beat out most of the schools in our area (which have all been around longer). so i wouldn’t say it’s a disadvantaged school. mostly middle-class - high middle-class people go there (if you’re basing ‘disadvantaged’ on income). basing it on the actual quality of the school, i don’t know since i can’t compare it with every other school.</p>