<p>I'm having difficulty choosing between Georgetown and uc Berkeley. I'm going into business and I know that McDonough at Gtown is quickly going up in ranks going from 23 in 2010 to 10 now. However haas business has a very prestigious name. My worry is that at Berkeley I would have to apply for haas later on and am scared I won't get in. Money is not an issue any suggestions people?</p>
<p>there’s a very high success rate for Berkeley L&S students to Haas. And if you won’t get in, you’ll most likely going to end up majoring econ. econ grads have as much opportunities as Haas grads. the same companies that recruit at Haas recruit at econ. if you’re pleasant, presentable, good at interviews, good GPA, you’ll do fine graduating from any Berkeley program. </p>
<p>and, Georgetown is a Jesuit a catholic school. if you’re not a catholic, I don’t see you thrive under such milieu.</p>
<p>Successful people take risks. Choose Berkeley. ;)</p>
<p>instate - Cal. OOS-Georgetown.</p>
<p>^ why would OOS take Georgetown over Haas?</p>
<p>I have posted numerous times that do not believe that the UCs are worth the price OOS. For the same money, I’d take a good private (almost) any day – better advising (altho that bar is so low at a UC, nearly any school can beat it), less bureaucracy (Cal housing anyone?), smaller classes, more geographic diversity, no impacted classes/majors, easier study abroad, guaranteed on campus housing, etc.</p>
<p>Is Haas “better” than McDonough? Sure, but that is not an option at this point, and may only be an option two years hence, after competing with the gunners for the slots. Is Cal Econ great? Sure, but its also impacted.</p>
<p>One larger consideration is that undergrad biz tends to be local/regional, so if the OP wants to work in the Bay Area/west, Cal is the easy choice.</p>
<p>“I have posted numerous times that do not believe that the UCs are worth the price OOS”</p>
<p>Money is not an issue for the OP. I agree that most of the UC’s are not worth the OOS price. Berekley is the exception. Berkeley over GT for business. I wish people would stop using NewsWeeks ridiculous rankings for top business schools. No one really takes them seriously except for posters from schools that are highly ranked there.</p>
<p>Georgetown is no HYPSM. You’ll attend a private over Berkeley simply because you’ll get good advising and you’ll have lesser classmates there? So, you’ll take Hiram College too over Berkeley? That’s not a well thought-out advice given that Berkeley is more prestigious and gets more respect than Georgetown. if Georgetown promises a higher salary scale to Cal, then that’s surely worth the OOS rate. But all surveys indicate that Berkeley grads do better than Georgetown grads in salary scale. If we’re talking about Dartmouth vs Berkeley (OOS price), perhaps I’d take Dartmouth’s offer. But Georgetown isn’t Dartmouth by any stretch.</p>
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This is a good point and an important consideration. </p>
<p>blue, you’re too hard on Cal, IMHO… ;)</p>
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RML, would you please stop with that stupid, self-reported Payscale data already?! It’s useless and if you’re basing a college decision on it, you’re a tard.</p>
<p>I don’t like BW’s rankings either – too easy to manipulate, as Haas figured out a few years ago. I have NEVER used payscale anecdotes (I was a stats minor and know better)…</p>
<p>I think I clearly posted “good” private. If Hiram College is 'good" for you. :)</p>
<p>Yes, rjk, the OP did post that money was not an issue, but think of the irony: we are discussing a business school, where presumably one should learn about “value”. It’s just my opinion that the UC value prop is extremely poor for nearly all majors at OOS prices.<br>
(Exceptions I would make would be Chem and Eng at Cal, theater at LA, enology at Davis…)</p>
<p>The other exception I would make would be for internationals, where buying prestige is a value prop in itself.</p>
<p>The OP asked for suggestions, and these are mine. Yes, I am hard on Cal bcos the Regents and Legislature are screwing it up (unfortunately).</p>
<p>^ Well let’s ask the OP what the value is instead of conjecturing…</p>
<p>jkwag4, what are your out-of-pocket cost differences going to be for both?</p>
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<p>College education is an investment, first and foremost. You may not see it that way, but I’m quite sure that many students, and parents alike, do. Why would the top students aim for HYPSM, for example? Is it primarily because that they offer better college experience? Really? Does MIT really offer a better college experience than USC does, for example? I don’t think so. I think USC offers a far more enjoyable atmosphere than MIT does. But the best students keep competing for a slot at MIT because they knew that once they’ll graduate from MIT, they are more or less assured of a high-paying job, as MIT offers better career opportunities after graduation than USC does. And, much to your irritation for continually presenting the Forbes’ survey, it is the only relevant survey, and the only one of its kind available today. If you have a better source, maybe we can use it instead. But the more important point I’m trying to say is, the school that offers better ROI is the school that deserves primary consideration. HYPSM + Caltech and Dartmouth offer that the best.</p>
<p>RML, of course I agree that a college education is an investment. The problem with the Payscale data is that it generalizes an entire student population from a school. The data is not specific to majors. The data does not compensate for higher cost of living areas. The data is self-reported and most certainly incomplete. It’s an interesting data point, but you need to use some logic and apply critical thinking…when you do, you realize it’s a statisitic that has little merit.</p>
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<p>That was the same “logic” that got us into Iraq… :rolleyes:</p>
<p>^^^^lol. ;-)</p>
<p>Thank you for all your input I am OSS so Berkeleys gonna cost 30k a year I got 24 k in scholarships. I’m receiving my financial aid info from gtownby the end of the week and considering the fact that my sister goes to Gtown it’s gonna be 5-10k they told us</p>
<p>Money is always a factor- but even if it wasn’t i’d still opt for Cal.</p>
<p>Georgetown. It’s a great school, and has a very good job placement record.</p>
<p>Cal, in its current state, is about as unattractive as a college can get. If you’re OOS, don’t go there.</p>
<p>Bump!! Any input would be great and by 5-10k I meant that’s what I’d be paying at Gtown so Berkeley is considerably more money.</p>