<p>Since my data set is dynamic, from now on, my updated World-Class school list should look like this: Harvard-Berkeley-MIT-Caltech-Stanford-Yale-Princeton :)</p>
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However, when it comes to engineering, MIT/Berkeley are top dogs in the known universe ! ! !
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<p>What, no Stanford?</p>
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U see this?, Berekely is a well-balanced, complete university- thats y it ranks so high on the list. So if i were OP, i would take the regent scholar @berkeley and never look back
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<p>If we were talking about graduate school, then I might concur. But we're talking about undergrad here. There is a lot more to undergrad than simply going to a school with a big brand-name.</p>
<p>meh.</p>
<p>berkeley's ok.</p>
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Cal fares least well with upper-middle class white American suburbs, but hardly anyone has even heard of schools like Duke outside of the US.
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<p>I would say that it's far more than that. Basically, Cal fares least well at the undergrad level for anybody who really knows schools - meaning anybody who is upper-middle class and up, and especially in the upper class. Let's face it. Rich people are the ones who tend to know about schools like Duke and the LAC's. Heck, they often times send their kids to these schools.</p>
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Since my data set is dynamic, from now on, my updated World-Class school list should look like this: Harvard-Berkeley-MIT-Caltech-Stanford-Yale-Princeton
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HBMCSYP...rolls right off the tongue.</p>
<p>"But you said yourself that it would be easy. So who cares if it's boring? Since it's so easy, you would be able to spend very little time studying anyway, which would leave you with boatloads of free time. In fact, you may not even need to study at all. Just show up, take the tests, ace them, collect your A+'s, and be done with it."</p>
<p>Ah, you've just (inadvertantly) explained the difference between Humanities and tech majors. While you'd be satisfied to just float through school, get easy grades and some boring but well paid job, we english majors study it because we like it and find it fulfilling.</p>
<p>CHYMPS </p>
<p>b</p>
<p>point well taken: the latest data</p>
<p>Top universities overall (worldwide)
1 Harvard University USA 100.0
2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology USA 86.9
3 University of Cambridge UK 85.8
4 University of Oxford UK 83.9
5 Stanford University USA 83.4
6 University of California, Berkeley USA 80.6
7 Yale University USA 72.7
8 California Institute of Technology USA 71.5
9 Princeton University USA 64.8
10 Ecole Polytechnique France 61.5 </p>
<p>but luckily my latest World-Class school list remain unchanged (see post #61) :)</p>
<p>you're so right, snugglemonster. how could I have not taken into account YOUR preferences when picking my field of study? :(</p>
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Harvard-Berkeley-MIT-Caltech-Stanford-Yale-Princeton
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<p>Yet the truth is, at the undergrad level, Berkeley loses the cross-admit battle to every one of these other schools. Grad level is a different story, which is why I advocate that Berkeley should make its undergrad program just as good as its graduate programs.</p>
<p>There are a lot of relatively simple things that Berkeley could do to make its undergrad program better. For example, simply expanding the number of seats available in impacted majors. I simply do not understand why Berkeley engineering, for example, has to be impacted. It's been like this for at least 2 decades, so Berkeley shouldn't be "surprised" to find that, next year, engineering will, once again, be impacted. So why not simply shift resources to increase the number of available spaces in engineering? Why is this so hard to do? </p>
<p>It is precisely these sorts of things that detract from the undergraduate experience and deter people from choosing other schools over Berkeley. If Berkeley were to fix these problems, then Berkeley would be able to improve its yield rate.</p>
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Ah, you've just (inadvertantly) explained the difference between Humanities and tech majors. While you'd be satisfied to just float through school, get easy grades and some boring but well paid job, we english majors study it because we like it and find it fulfilling.
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<p>I see. Well, all I have to say is that I'm sure that there will be plenty of engineers that you will meet who will take great umbrage at the notion that they are floating through school while getting easy grades. Heck, plenty of these people (like Student) are here on CC. But I will leave you to deal with them.</p>
<p>"Heck, plenty of these people (like Student) are here on CC. But I will leave you to deal with them"</p>
<p>As the rock band Rooney would say, "I'm sha sha shaking."</p>
<p>And I said you'd be satisfied to float through, not that you actually do float through. The point remains the same, which is that you'd RATHER just get through it and don't care if you enjoy it or not.</p>
<p>oh dear, I also seem to have forgotten to commit the grammatical insanities inate to engineering students everywhere. well here is they had will should be, can't have you wrong about anything, now, can we?</p>
<p>:)</p>
<p>Pebbles, if you're going to get into the conversation, at least have something at least remotely interesting to say.</p>
<p>ok. shut up. you're making berkeley look stupid.</p>
<p>how's that? got your attention?</p>
<p>That's a tad bit better, but still pretty lame. And I'm heartbroken that I haven't represented Berkeley to your standards.</p>
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Actually sakky, engineers don't design cars, industrial designers do. A project like the ipod is lead by industrial designers and product managers.
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<p>Oh? So what would you call guys like Tony Fadell and Jon Rubenstein? Maybe somebody should tell them that they aren't really engineers, despite having engineering degrees (and certainly not having English degrees).
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<p>I don't call them design team leads. The ipod is a design-driven product rather than a technology-driven one. The ipod was actually designed by Jonathan Ive, head of design at Apple. He's the person who gets univrsally credited with the design of the Ipod. He has a bachelors of arts degree from England. You've probably never heard of Tangerine.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/3481599.stm%5B/url%5D">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/3481599.stm</a>
<a href="http://www.designmuseum.org/design/index.php?id=63%5B/url%5D">http://www.designmuseum.org/design/index.php?id=63</a></p>
<p>sakky, don't argue about things of which you have very summary knowledge. It's quite clear you haven't gotten any paychecks as a product manager. I have.</p>
<p>aw... poor baby. maybe you should write deep dark poetry about it and post it on your livejournal.</p>
<p>And maybe you should crunch numbers and read scientific monthly all night while I'm reading my deep, dark poety to girls at parties.</p>
<p>man. I wish I could get girls at parties. I just love girls.</p>