<p>arcadefire1027, should I care what you and MrPince think? LOL</p>
<p>If we would have to make a survey now to all university and college presidents, provosts, chancellors, professors, lecturers, scholars, researchers, high school counselors and top employers, I am VERY, VERY CONFIDENT that the VAST majority of them share with my view too. And, between them and you and your friend, MrPrince, I think it’s clear who’s vindicated from your constant Berkeley bashing. </p>
<p>And, to those who said I equate Berkeley to Ivy league, I think you have to specify which Ivy school as we all know that the Ivy League schools are measured differently in the totem pole. Of course, it’s hard to argue that Cornell is as prestigious and as good as Harvard.</p>
It’s interesting that as soon as you’re no longer discussing Berkeley (“for those who would want to major in engineering, computer science or business/economics…solid top 5 in America for those programs”), your desire to parse academic differences vanishes. </p>
<p>Would you say that Cornell is not “as good as Harvard” for agriculture, hotel management, architecture, or engineering? </p>
<p>Cornell is an academic powerhouse that doesn’t get the respect it deserves for incidentally the same reason as Berkeley – it’s traditionally been less selective than its peers. Why it’s treated with disdain as the “worst Ivy” and other such nonsense is beyond me.</p>
Any objective proof for that statement? It’s true that UCLA gets more application, but Berkeley has significantly better yield from virtually the same application pool (41.4% to 36.7%). Who is winning the cross admit battle? Care to comment on that?</p>
<p>p.s. So where is UCBChemEGrad when you need him?</p>
<p>We don’t need people arguing over the quality of each school when the difference is miniscule. If the OP needs FA, then they should choose Emory, since it meets need. UCB is practically equal to Emory, so taking out loans to go to UCB, when they wouldn’t have to take out any (unless to meet EFC) would be the better decision. If money is no object, by all means, choose UCB if you so desire. However, since Emory and UCB have similar reputations (for those employers who consistently recruit from top schools, they know of Emory and it’s reputation) it won’t make a huge, if at all noticeable difference. Besides, Emory has resources UCB simply does not – it’s endowment and financial resources are simply greater. RML yes UCB may have a greater international reputation, but we’re not talking international here.</p>
<p>^ You weren’t telling me to be sensible. In fact, you lied about me and my posts. Tell me, when did I equate Berkeley with HYPSMC for undergrad education? </p>
<p>NYU2013: I like the tone of your statement. I think it’s sensible and an honest opinion. But I’d like to see your proof that Emory is as a target as Berkeley is by top employers. The reason why I need to see a proof is because I don’t think most high-paying companies that recruit at Berkeley, HYPSMC, Ivies, Duke, NU, UMich, Chicago, NYU and the like recruit as much at Emory too. Here’s a more comprehensive and accurate ranking of schools in terms of IB recruitment: [Feeder</a> Schools | WallStreetOasis.com](<a href=“http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/feeder-schools]Feeder”>Feeder Schools | Wall Street Oasis)</p>
<p>I also don’t give 100% value on USNews ranking. For example, according to that survey, Emory is superior to NYU. But I don’t think most employers and academicians agree with that. I think NYU grads have many more opportunities after graduation than Emory grads have. Those things are huge and important factors why one attends college/university. Sadly, that’s not reflected on USNews ranking. So, it doesn’t really matter that USNews ranks Emory higher than Berkeley, because the truth is, Berkeley is superior to Emory. And, employers’ view is way more important than MrPrince & co’s view.</p>
<p>GoBlue81, below is a chart that tracks USN&WR rankings from 1983 through 2007. In 1983, Berkeley was ranked #5 in the nation. In 2010, it’s ranked #22. Initially USN&WR only ranked the top 25 and UCLA was not even in the top 25. UCLA broke into the top 25 in 1989. In 2010, Berkeley is #22 and UCLA is #25. The trend is that Berkeley is falling and UCLA is rising, so I project that UCLA, with its many advantages, will surpass Berkeley in the near future. UCLA is now first in the country in number of applications. The acceptance rate at these two great public universities is now exactly the same: 22%.</p>
<p>It the Atlanta area, Emory is the top school and the most heavily recruited. Atlanta has the 4th largest number of fortune 500 companies and is still growing quite quickly. If the OP were to go to Emory, then get a job, after your first job where graduate from does play that much of a factor. There are plenty of people who have gone to schools that are not “top” schools that still work for top companies. After your first job, it’s your job experience that counts. Since Emory is the most heavily recruited school in the GA area, I doubt the OP would have any problems finding a job. Besides that, again you’re arguing minuscule differences. To be on that list of top colleges recruited is an amazing “leg up” over many other college graduates. </p>
<p>My point is, many people on CC spend time arguing over which top school is hired more, which gets accepted more to grad school, etc. etc. etc. When in reality, at ANY top school, it comes down to the individual, NOT what school they attended. In the business world, all top schools are regarded pretty equally and to graduate from one should be honor to anyone graduating. Like I said, if the OP can’t afford UCB they should go to Emory. Loans and debt are stressful burden that it would be easier to not deal with. As much as you would like to argue a statistically significant difference, it’s not. If you compare Emory to UCB versus every other college grad, graduating from every other college in the US, the difference is so small it’s just not statistically significant. I’m sorry but arguing over top schools over who’s the higher dog just doesn’t make sense when compared to the other 4,000 some-odd colleges in the US, it just truly doesn’t matter who’s “on top.” Just to be in the “top” is enough.</p>
Here you go again. What are some of these “many advantages” UCLA has over Berkeley? Is it not under the same budget cut? Does it has larger endowment, better facilities, more established faculty? You still haven’t told me why UCLA has more well-rounded student body. The fact remains that Berkeley wins the cross admit battle by almost 5 points with virtually the same in-state applicant pool.</p>
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What trend? In the past 10 years, Berkeley has maintained the 20th-21th position, while UCLA has been steadily around the 25th.</p>
<p>NYU gots brains- thats the point of Emory- in the Atlanta and Southern region you would get access to several companies. Goizueta gets a fair amount of BB i bank recruitment too.</p>
<p>^ Well, yeah, I didn’t argue about Emory grads doing well in Atlanta, Georgia. If one wants to limit his/her scope of employment in Atlanta area, then going to Emory would be a well-thoughtout advice. </p>
<p>However, the OP was asking which between Berkeley and Emory is the better school. So, I said, if the OP wants to major in premed, Emory would probably be a better school for him/her as Berkeley premed is very competitive and Berkeley is known for grade deflation, something that’s going to affect his/her med school application negatively. However, outside of that academic area, Berkeley is the better school, in general. Like I said, the OP doesn’t even need to take my word for it. There are several surveys available that would support my statements, and anyone who doubts me would just have to refer to those surveys. It’s that simple.</p>
<p>Lol, most of what you post is misinformed. Every knowledgeable person knows that Emory is well known for premed and the biological sciences and generally better for premed than Berkeley. In a typical biology program at a top school u will find 3X times the number of Emory undergrads than you would find from Berkeley.</p>
<p>"And, between them and you and your friend, MrPrince, I think it’s clear who’s vindicated from your constant Berkeley bashing. "</p>
<p>RML: I don’t constantly bash Berkeley. I’m not sure I’ve ever bashed Berkeley. I considered the school very heavily for my undergrad, and I realize it has the superior program for my major (CS). If you look at my posting history, you’ll see me deciding between the two schools (Berkeley and LA) and saying mostly positive things about Berkeley. It’s nothing personal, it’s just that almost all your posts hype up Berkeley. It gives off the impression that you’re incredibly concerned with its reputation, which seems a little silly since we all know it has a good reputation.</p>
<p>RML you’re missing the point I’m making. If the OP feels Emory is a better fit over UCB or need FA, then they should choose Emory. You’re arguing UCB over Emory when the difference is not, I’m sure, statistically significant. There are how many colleges in the US? Or for that matter business schools? You’re attempting to argue statistically insignificant figures. Compare the percentage of graduates hired from UCB to the percentage of graduates hired from Emory. If there’s any difference, it’s minuscule at best. Both are T20 schools. If a grad from Emory graduates with the same stats as a grab from UCB, do you think one has an advantage over the other? No. With the exception being that maybe the person doing the hiring is an alumni of either school, in which case that person from the same school might get favor. However, both schools are extremely well regarded and are most likely, peers.
You, as well as many other people on CC spend extraordinary amounts of time arguing over which school tops which school, and rankings change constantly. You’ve locked yourself into never ending battles and there is absolutely no way to prove the superiority of any T20 school over another. It’s completely up to the individual who graduated from said school as to how their lives turn out - it’s not up to the name of school. An ambitious student from a T20 will, for the most part do as well as any other student from another T20 school. If someone asks “Which T20 school is better?” It shouldn’t become a never ending post battle over what school is better. It should be more along the lines of “congrats - it really comes down to fit and where you want to be: Here are the advantages and/or disadvantages of each school”</p>
<p>This is so LOL, stomach aching, mind blowing comment you made, sefago. I honestly don’t know what to say anymore. LOL… </p>
<p>May I suggest that you read what I wrote in post # 31 specifically the second paragraph. I’m sure that if you know how to read and understand what you’re reading, you would learn that I do think Emory would be a better premed school than Berkeley is.</p>
<p>arcadefire1027, I don’t think I reacted negatively on your post. Your problem with Berkeley is understandable. There really are students who love UCLA more than they do Berkeley, and that’s their personal thing. The reason why I react to some posters who comment negatively about Berkeley is because I am familiar with the school and I know that many of the comments made about it on CC were rather hearsay or rumors than factual.</p>
<p>RML - let’s see your proof that proves statistical significance. Since you claim to have such proof.
Let’s remember now - you’re attempting to provide evidence that proves statistical significance compared to all other business schools in the US.</p>