<p>Hey guise I am Comp Sci/ Chemical Engineering major and maybe Pre-Med.</p>
<p>I have hard time deciding between these three colleges.</p>
<p>I just want a college that will prepare me to get a good job after.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>bump 10 char</p>
<p>are you a California resident? If not I’d go with the private options.</p>
<p>Assume you will get a good job coming out of any of these. Now do you prefer any of these institutions? </p>
<p>Here is chemical engineering grad school and job information for Hopkins grads:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.jhu.edu/careers/students/explore/pgsmajors/2007-2011/ChemBE%202007-2011.pdf”>http://www.jhu.edu/careers/students/explore/pgsmajors/2007-2011/ChemBE%202007-2011.pdf</a></p>
<p>Only about 5% are searching for jobs based on the anonymous survey. You can judge if the grad/med schools are places you would like to attend or if the jobs listed are ones you’d be interested in.</p>
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<p>For computer science, Berkeley wins, hands down. For chemical engineering, Berkeley would still be the better school. For premed, it’s a toss. If you want to increase your chances at JHU Med School, then go for JHU premed. If you’re considering in going to UC med schools (UCSF, UCLA, etc), go for Berkeley. </p>
<p>Show the placement numbers rml for chem e. I will wait for it to never appear</p>
<p>^ Why do ask for the placement numbers for ChemE? </p>
<p>Because that’s what the OP is asking. Show me the employment and grad school placement that suggests Berkeley is a “better” school.</p>
<p>In fact, here. I’ve found it for you:</p>
<p><a href=“https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/ChemEngr.stm”>https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/ChemEngr.stm</a></p>
<p>A full 34% are looking for employment after graduation as a chem e from berkeley. impressive.</p>
<p>^ If you’re interpreting that as Berkeley’s inability to produce ChemE grads able to find employment, then that’s a weird thinking. Those grads will find jobs, eventually. </p>
<p>^lol, that’s reassuring RML.</p>
<p>We’re talking about one of the 5 best ChemE programs in the nation here, Blah, not some kind of a 3rd-rate ChemE program. Even grads from those schools find jobs eventually, as ChemE is an in-demand field. </p>
<p>Big programs, like Berkeley’s, usually suffer from statistical backlash, but they’ll be able to manage that eventually. Take a look at Harvard MBA, for instance. HBS doesn’t get a 100% employment rate 3 months after graduation despite it’s being ranked top 1 by most league tables. For the Class of 2009, for instance, 8.8% did not find employment 3 months after graduation. And, since HBS, like Berkeley ChemE is bigger, whcih graduates about 1,000 a year, we’re then talking about 80 people not getting employed with a Harvard MBA degree 3 months out of the MBA program. In that same year, Yale SOM, which happens to have the highest employment rate, has a 92% employment success rate, followed by Washington-Olin. Harvard was ranked 3rd, whist Stanford 4th, with 10% of its grads not employed 3 months out of MBA. But is Yale SOM a better MBA program than Harvard’s or Stanford’s??? I think the answer to that is NO.</p>
<p><a href=“http://images.businessweek.com/ss/09/10/1029_best_and_worst_mba_job_placement/9.htm”>http://images.businessweek.com/ss/09/10/1029_best_and_worst_mba_job_placement/9.htm</a></p>
<p>^Please write more coherently. The example you point to between Yale’s unemployment rate of 8% vs Harvard’s at 8.8% is statistically insignificant. The gulf we’re talking about here between Berkeleys chem e and other top 5 programs like MIT and Stanford is on the order of 30%.</p>
<p>My link clearly shows only 112 graduated from Berkeley with a degree in chemical engineering - you must not be familiar with berkeley engineering to suggest they graduate 1000 chem e undergrads a year.</p>
<p>Find me another top 5 chem e program with comparable employment stats - not MBA programs completely irrelevant to this discussion.</p>
<p>What about finances? Campus culture? There are big differences among those three. Berkeley is generally considered the gold standard for top public universities, student life in Berkeley CA would be pretty amazing, and being accessible to SF, Marin etc would be a dream come true for some. ND is not known for its sciences or engineering, its strength is in the alumni network and sense of community on campus. South Bend is cold, about 90 minutes from Chicago, and while has become much more vibrant and interesting, is few people’s idea of a great college town. Hopkins is a third model – well-known in sciences, no slouch in humanities, accessible to other cities up and down the eastern seaboard. </p>
<p>You will be in good shape for career after an undergrad education at each of those, so as a parent, I would focus on life when you are there. </p>
<p>Great choices, congratulations. </p>
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<p>I’m surprised you did not understand what I was saying. I was actually saying that, normally, larger programs are prone to suffer from statistics due to the law of averages. Look how HBS & Stanford GSB were both outranked by Yale SOM by virtue of having a smaller program. Whether that’s .8% or 2% (for Stanford), the fact is that both HBS and Stanford GSB were outranked by an obvious less popular, less prestigious program. But since you’re not contented with having HBS & Yale SOM as my examples, let’s use another schools: Washington-Olin and Penn-Wharton. </p>
<p>According to the report, only 8% of Washington-Olin grads didn’t find employment 3 months from graduation. (That sure looks quite impressive.) In contrast, 21% from Penn-Wharton were still unemployed 3 months from graduation. (That does not look impressive.) Now, let me ask you this: Which between the two MBA programs is really the more regarded, well-respected, more prestigious MBA program? If you’ll be accepted to both programs, where will you go? I’m almost definite that you’d say, Wharton, correct? But if we’ll have to follow your logic, then you’ll choose Washington-Olin. But I’m almost certain that you won’t. That goes to show that using (a raw and incomplete) employment rate/statistics alone will not tell you which school is better. </p>
<p><a href=“http://images.businessweek.com/ss/09/10/1029_best_and_worst_mba_job_placement/24.htm”>http://images.businessweek.com/ss/09/10/1029_best_and_worst_mba_job_placement/24.htm</a></p>
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<p>LOL… You screwed up the numbers and you obviously failed to analyze the data. Ouch!!!</p>
<p>Take a look at the figures one more time and analyze them carefully. </p>
<p>93 people graduated from the program, not 112 as you reported. Of those, only 42 people responded the survey, and 53 people who did not. If 34% is seeking employment, that means, only 14 people are seeking employment. </p>
<p>Now, the problem with this information is that it isn’t clear, and the respondents are way too low. Therefore, it’s hard to draw a conclusion with the very little data we do have. Who knows what “seeking employment” really means in this survey. It could mean they’re not employed but aren’t really looking yet because they’re taking a break in Europe (graduation gift from parents - I know people who did that) or have to visit some relatives in Asia (I know people who did that). It could also mean that they’re in a team of fresh grads involved in some start ups but are also open to a more lucrative employment offer. Who knows what it really means and/or what the respondents were thinking, or how to classify themselves if they fall under any of the conditions I mentioned above. </p>
<p>Another thing to look at here is how the percentage will drastically rise or fall as the respondents increase or decrease by a few digits. Take a look at the percentage if 20 respondents are added or subtracted.</p>
<p>14/62x100= 22.5%
14/22x100 = 64% </p>
<p>How is this percentage that meaningful then? </p>
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<p>Of the top 5 ChemE programs, it’s only Berkeley that is public. </p>
<p>The Berkeley data is completely different from the JHU data. For one thing, the Berkeley data is self-reported. It is transparent, and it is obvious that it has a low response rate. The JHU data was gathered by the school in a hope to sell the program or the school. Therefore, I cannot help myself but to think that the JHU data were intentionally arranged, and thus, some numbers were perhaps fudged or some information were written broadly to be able to come up with a more decent marketing tool. </p>
<p>“With its strong ties to finance and banking, the elite Wharton School took a particularly hard hit in the wake of the financial crisis.”</p>
<p>Tell me, are berkeley chem engineers targeting different jobs than stanford, mit, cornell, chemical engineering majors?</p>
<p>“The Berkeley data is completely different from the JHU data. For one thing, the Berkeley data is self-reported. It is transparent, and it is obvious that it has a low response rate. The JHU data was gathered by the school in a hope to sell the program or the school.”</p>
<p>The berkeley data was compiled from a survey, as was the jhu data (which is also self-reported) Do you even know what that means? JHU surveys do not have a 100% response rate at all (see BME’s here: <a href=“http://www.jhu.edu/careers/students/explore/pgsmajors/2007-2011/BME%202007-2011.pdf”>http://www.jhu.edu/careers/students/explore/pgsmajors/2007-2011/BME%202007-2011.pdf</a>). </p>
<p>You make absolutely zero sense JHU isn’t forcing students to take the survey LOL. Nice try though, it’s kind of pathetic. </p>
<p>I’m glad though that you think it’s a marketing campaign to make JHU look better when it’s actual outcomes by students. </p>
<p>For CompSci, Cal wins hands down. For ChemE, it matters a little less where you go to school, although if judging by reputation and ranking (if you believe US News to be a credible source - many don’t), Berkeley has #2 rated undergrad ChemE school. JHU isn’t in top ten. These employment surveys are pretty useless when you graduate from #2 rated school in the country.</p>
<p>^Except for the graduating students or students aiming to go to the school.</p>