Berkeley vs. UVA vs. UMich

<p>Hey guys!</p>

<p>I'm having trouble choosing my top schools, so I was wondering what you guys thought. Which would you choose if you had to choose between UC Berkeley, U Virginia, and U Michigan? This of course, could be based on classes, class sizes, dorms, research, distance (I live in NY), student life in general, price, etc. Thanks!</p>

<p>Also, my parents are sort of against my going to UC Berkeley since it's so far, but I still love the school. Is being so far away from home really that bad?</p>

<p>No. It's not that bad. It's called an airplane. Get you back and forth in no time.</p>

<p>tell your mom she can give you those kisses when you come back for vacations</p>

<p>well yeah, but are things like homesickness, prices, and just plain old convenience THAT big of an issue?</p>

<p>They are top three publics, so they are all really good. Unless your major is better at one of the three than the others, I would probably tell you to go which ever one you are most comfortable at.</p>

<p>Berkeley is good.</p>

<p>When all the schools are similar in academic quality, it should always come down to weather. Berkeley is the clear winner, unless you're into sitting in a dorm for 90% of the school year.</p>

<p>They're all great schools and are amongst the very best in the nation, so you can't go wrong in choosing either way. But if you're a "prestige whore" kind of a student, Berkeley would be the school for you as it is the more prestigious amongst the three schools, albeit only very slightly as UMich and UVa are also quite prestigious schools across the nation. Berkeley has also more name recognition outside of the US, especially in Europe, Asia and South America. </p>

<p>Another thing to consider is the student environment and the weather. I cannot differentiate the students from these schools, but I've heard Cal and UMich students are liberal whilst UVa students are conservative, affluent and preppy. As for the weather, Berkeley wins hands down as Norcal weather is perfect the whole year round.</p>

<p>The tides are turning in Virginia. Virginia is officially no longer a red state, but a purple state.</p>

<p>Virginia has two Democratic senators, they voted for Obama, and they have a 6D-5R HoR delegation (three of these blue seats were just captured in November).</p>

<p>As someone who was literally in the EXACT same situation as you last year (only add UCLA into the mix), I think I can offer you some insight.</p>

<p>First, visit all the schools if you can. I'm from CA and a lot of people questioned my reasoning for even considering other schools because of the weather, but I visited Michigan in the middle of February and loved it, so I'm not sure there's much validity behind the whole cold-weather thing if you don't mind snow. And, being from NY, I'm sure you're pretty used to it. </p>

<p>They're all fantastic schools. UVA is definitely more of a private-school feel, and that was the one downside for me; I felt like the people were a bit too preppy for my taste. However, the campus blew pretty much all the other ones I visited right out of the water, and the colonial charm of Charlottesville was inspiring and beautiful. It's also founded by Thomas Jefferson, and he maintains a strong presence in everything the school does, which I thought was really cool. There's nothing more beautiful than when the leaves change there in the autumn months, and whenever I think of how gorgeous it was, I wonder (for a brief instant) if I passed up on something I shouldn't have. They have excellent academic programs across the board, and regardless of whether the Bolivians have heard of it or not, it is still considered an academic peer of every top university in the country. Its athletic program also enjoys a faithful following, and I've heard the social life is great. Of the three colleges, it is the cheapest for out-of-state students. Hoping they admit me again for grad school!</p>

<p>Michigan was one of the neatest colleges I've ever been to. I loved how big it was, it just gave you the impression that you could do anything you wanted and be successful. I was very impressed with their admitted student days (highly recommend attending one if possible). It has the most severe weather of the three, but I have several friends attending from CA and they still love it, so I guess that speaks volumes about the university's ability to maintain student loyalty during the harsh winter months! As you know, the social scene is great, and the school spirit is paralleled by only a handful of schools. Their academic peer assessment score is very, very good, meaning that it is highly respected by professors all over the country. It also probably has the best alumni base of all the schools you're looking at. If I remember correctly, some of the dorms were undergoing renovations last year, so those might be really nice next year, assuming they're completed then. The downside is that the school is so big that you have to take a bus to some classes, depending on which dorm you get. You don't really need that at Cal, and definitely not at UVA. But again, great school with great people.</p>

<p>Cal has a similar feeling to Michigan. The campus has gorgeous views of the bay, and the town is eccentric but comforting at the same time. San Francisco is about 45 minutes away on BART, and sports have a pretty decent following. The students, I noticed, were the most prestige-minded of the 3 schools, and seemed to care a great deal about their various rankings, which I never noticed nearly as much at the other universities. I think students are more intense (comparatively) when competing for grades and whatnot. But that's probably the result of discovering something like 17 periodic elements. Berkeley has fantastic name-recognition globally, and like Michigan and UVA, is considered a peer institution with the top schools in the country. It also has the best weather of the three schools, though unlike UVA and Michigan, it has a "foggy" season on most mornings before and after winter. My friends who go there love it, and I'm sure you would as well.</p>

<p>As far as dorms go, I'd give Michigan the edge, though again, they can be a bus-ride away from classes (though I'm told it's a non-issue by my friends who attend). Michigan is also the most expensive of the three, but Berkeley might be just as much since the plane flights will cost more due to distance. UVA wins the campus beauty award, and if you have a soft spot for history, there's no greater place than Charlottesville. Ann Arbor was the best college town I've ever visited, and I've been to over 30 schools throughout my life. There's just something special about the place, and even the coffee shops ooze excellence and intelligence. But C-Ville and Berkeley are great ones as well, so there wouldn't be a huge drop-off.</p>

<p>You can't go wrong; the schools are very different and unique, but they all enjoy a great amount of student loyalty, tradition and international acclaim. I chose UCLA because they offered me a scholarship and the honors program (and with those, many perks), which none of the other schools offered. I absolutely love it here, but I know I would have enjoyed any of the other universities had I chosen to attend. </p>

<p>Congratulations, and feel free to message me should you have any questions!</p>

<p>In part, it depends on whether you are in state vs. OOS with regard to tuition. If money is no object, Berkeley may be worth it, though Virginia is excellent as well...</p>

<p>Wow good post, vc08. Really insightful.</p>

<p>I feel like I could be in the same position: I've been accepted to Michigan, got a likely from UVA, and I'm waiting on Cal (hopefully i'll make it in!). However, I'm an instate student for UVA, and my intended major is going to be computer science. Anybody care to comment on how these schools differ in this field? Michigan Engineering and Cal L&S are really luring because of their reputation in the computer science field, but UVA Engineering does offer me instate tuition...</p>

<p>dococtopi, </p>

<p>for engineering (across many fields) and computer science, Berkeley is a solid top 3 in the US and its reputation for those courses have far extended across the globe. And, although UMich and UVa are excellent universities, Berkeley is superior to both of them, in general. Most league tables, local or international, would rank Berkeley higher than both UMich and UVa. Internationally, Berkeley is regarded as one of the top 10 best universities in the world or on par with Yale, Princeton, Cambridge, Oxford and the like. I can't say the same thing for UMich and UVa, though I know they're also quite excellent institutions.</p>

<p>For undergraduate
Academic:
Berkeley for Computer Science, Engineering
UOV for Politics and small class size
Michigan for Humanities and Ann Arborn
Financial:
You make the call</p>

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<p>By about 2-5 spots at most. Unless you're a prestige #@%$&, that really is very insignificant.</p>

<p>dococtopi, the economy is the ****s right now, save you and/or your folks some cash and take the instate tuition UVa is giving you</p>

<p>I'm having a similar delimma, and here's my take (all personal opinions):</p>

<p>Cal - great weather, slightly higher prestige, better job/intern opportunities in bay area/silicon valley, 420 :)</p>

<p>UMich - quaint campus and campus/city blending, more school spirit, better networks, more research opportunities, parties :)</p>

<p>I don't know mch about UVA, besides a trip to the campus in 8th grade. It seems much weaker in the sciences and engineering, compared to the former two, but stronger in the liberal arts.</p>

<p>In the end, I'd pick Cal, but as a Mich resident, I probably won't pass up all the money UMich is offering me.</p>