<p>You think the Senate gets all of their information from the President? Er! Wrong. The intelligence does not go through the President. Both the Congress and the executive branch are briefed by the same group of people. So if the group that is doing the briefing has faulty intelligence then both parties are receiving the same false information. To blame the faulty intelligence on Bush is absolutely wrong.</p>
<p>And why do you care what Bush did in his past? Does his past drug use and alcoholism affect the way he acts in his Presidency? Not at all. If you want to talk about the past I would be glad to talk about Kerry's reneging on the Vietnam War or Clinton's cocaine use.</p>
<p>UC_Benz, Kerry actually fought in the war, whether you like it or not. I personally think Kerry would have made as lousy a president as Bush, but at least he is not an unethical peace of garbage and he is a little more intelligent. </p>
<p>Secondly, Bush and his cronies pressured the intelligence people to exaggerate the threat. </p>
<p>As for Clinton, he may have used Cocaine just as Bush did, but I never heard Clinton claim to be a good Christian and try to impose his values (which clearly neither Bush or Clinton have) on others.</p>
<p>Haha. It's not a question of me liking it or not. It's the fact of him turning his back on his country and his fellow soldiers. He called the soldiers STILL fighting in Vietnam baby killers and drug addicts. This is a disgrace to the men and women who got killed and/or seriously injured over in Vietnam. Kerry barely even qualified for a purple heart with his minor injuries. In times like these, a man's real character shows. </p>
<p>Bush has no shame in his military record. He wasn't ordered to go to Vietnam, so he did not go. You can speculate all you want on the reasons, but that isn't going to get you anywhere. If you would like to view all of his military documents, here you go: <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/021004_bushmil.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/021004_bushmil.pdf</a></p>
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<p>Statements like that are what make me dislike the Democratic party. Read the 9/11 Commission report, and THEN get back to me. No where will you find a statement even resembling the one you just made.</p>
<p>just as it is cruel to say rich ppl are heartless...I was merely retaliating.</p>
<p>Now...to clear myself up...I support social welfare to a high degree, but I know that many many many recipients abuse the system. Many will use welfare to to support themselves for 2 years, find a part time job so they will remain qualified, but they won't stay in work. Living in southwest virginia has opened my eyes to what really goes on....I know ppl that recieve social security checks for disability when they're perfectly capable of working....they'll illegally sell their prescription pain medication for some extra cash, buy a lot of pot and sell that too. I know ppl with young children that use welfare checks to load up on prescription medication and other drugs rather than buy food and clothing...then i also know ppl that bust their asses just to support themselves and their families, but the system is so rigid that they just barely don't qualify, and they live in horrible conditions. Yes, the system is beneficial, but a majority of ppl on it stay on it and abuse it...sometimes those honest workers that could really benefit from the system don't recieve anything...</p>
<p>and Bush didn't really pressure intellegence to play up the threat...he actually played it up himself...but....he was getting different reports from different agencies...at the time, the intellegence comminity was not very organized...and when several reports reach an already easily confused individual, they tend to make rash decisions...it's like a game of poker....you have an ace, king and there's a jack, ten, nine, eight on the board on the board....someone raises you a few dollars, and you can either call or fold....what would you do?....it's risky business.....intellegence is a gamble...in this particular case Bush didn't get the queen he was lookin for...no WMDs...</p>
<p>UC_Benz, you conveniently ignore a couple of important things. </p>
<p>1) A am not a democrat. I am not even American.
2) I am very well aware of what happened leading up to the War in Iraq. Remember that I am an Arab. I certainly did my homework on the subject. Bush mislead eveybody and his rhetoric pressured anybody that wanted to preserve their patriotic pride to side with him.</p>
<p>Does it matter if you're not American? No, not really. Does it matter if you're not a Democrat? No, not really. Through your posts you have conveyed views that are consistent with the Democratic party. So, I may have been quick to label you a Democrat, but your views sure are similar to theirs.</p>
<p>And you are conviently ignoring the fact that the executive branch does not provide intelligence to Congress. Members of the intelligence committee see quite a bit more intelligence than the President will ever see. So Bush did not mislead Congress; the entire intelligence community mislead Congress. And whether you believe Bush mislead the public or not is a moot point because the public did not make the decision to go to war. The United States Congress and the President of the United States made the decision to go to war based on intelligence from an objective source.</p>
<p>"but a majority of ppl on it stay on it and abuse it...sometimes those honest workers that could really benefit from the system don't recieve anything..."</p>
<p>SO what do u think we should do? pour more money into this pit?</p>
<p>"1) A am not a democrat. I am not even American."</p>
<p>So why dont i go to your country and debate over who should be your next president or dictator or whatever you have?? YOU alexandre only care about your own personal interests not that of the American people and therefore your opinion is useless</p>
<p>you takingbacksaturday are an incoherent debater, and you look at things from a christian fundamentalist, nationalist point of view, and do not look to teh interests of every American...rather you emphasize on the interests of the WASP...screw that...furthermore...there are ppl in other countries that have extensively studied international affairs and are more qualified to make these calls than you. You are young, naive, and immature. You know nothing of the "American ppl." You could care less about the non-Christian individuals in this nation...YOUR view is useless and you don't contribute anything to this debate.</p>
<p>UC_Benz, you do not know enough about me to lable me. I am too devout a Catholic to be a Democrat. But I am too tolerant and open minded to be a Republican. </p>
<p>And there is no need to sound so condescending UC_Benz, I know exactly how the US government came to its decision to go war. You are hiding behind convenient definitions. You can throw all the processes and procedures that we learned in 11th grade at me and it will not change the fact that Bush and senate majority neocons twisted the arms of the intelligence committee. As you get older, you will realize that things aren't always as they seem. </p>
<p>TakingBackSaturdayx, that is exactly what you guys are doing. The US is picking our leaders in the Middle East. Not that it matters since our leaders (with the exception of those in the UAE...they are actually honest) are a bunch of corrupt SOBs anyway! LOL But I do hope your general attitude changes. There is nothing wrong with outsiders expressing their views. I welcome criticism of Arabs (lord knows we deserve it) as a chance for improvement and I see nothing wrong with non-Americans criticizing US policy. Finally, you say that I care not for the best interest of the American people. That is not true. I certainly wish only the best for Americans. But not at the expense of my own people.</p>
<p>"are an incoherent debater, and you look at things from a christian fundamentalist, nationalist point of view, and do not look to teh interests of every American..."</p>
<p>The idea of a debate is to say what you think is right not wat you think all Americans want...if that were so then you all would all be the same political party.</p>
<p>"you takingbacksaturday are an incoherent debater"</p>
<p>haha yeah i know but i speak my mind and what i know to be true and right.</p>
<p>unfortunately, you've proven you dont' know how to work within the Constitution....if you have a problem with that little document known as the "highest law in the land" then i suggest you go back in time about 216 years and take it up with those few ppl we tend to call the Founders...I suggest you read it...there's this little thing called the establishment clause that reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." :)</p>
<p>wait did you just say African Americans tend to be more conservative?</p>
<p>Sorry, I meant liberals but said conservatives by mistake. haha typing so fat makes me say crazy things without knowing it! Anyhow, I meant "liberals" instead of "conservatives." Nevermind. (I am not that "dumb" of a liberal. lol) Even an idot knows that the majority of Afican Americans are liberal. Pardon my silly mistake.</p>
<p>And hunter, I think you are in some kind of "wonderland" because you dont know what you are talking about!! </p>
<p>"Why should those in the upper rungs of the economic ladder have to pay for a majority of the social welfare programs that they won't benefit from?"</p>
<p>Tell me why does Bush tend to make policies benefitting large corporations? Why are large corporations moving to other nations for cheap labor? Why by helping corporations is Bush neglecting the middle class? Why did Bush cut back on federal funding on student aid? why is there few mediaciad programs? I am not Robin Hood, but I am no fan of getting votes of middle class people and not helping them when given the power to. There are many parents who are unemployed and they really depend on these welfare programs.</p>
<p>Bush should do something about North Korea. It's been all talk and no action. What if North Korea really does make a nuclear weapon. Seriously, USA and USSR may have had the sense to avoid an actual war and instead engage in a "cold war", but that doesn't mean Kim Jong II will do the same.</p>
<p>Bush is vetoing the embroyonic stem cell research Act !!! I now hate him even more. I hope the Senate can out-run his veto by a two-thirds vote.</p>
<p>Uh primitive, stem cell research epitomizes immorality and the sinful habits of man. Do you really think it's humane to destroy inumerous lives to save a minor amount of quadriplegics. Besides, many of those people end up that way due to drinking and driving, getting high, driving really late at night to go to some party ect. In addition, I don't care what people say, Reeve is no "heroe". Had he not become a quadriplegic himself, i doubt he'd give a damn about other quadriplegics. Damn, i sound so mean.</p>
<p>People with cancer can be saved with stemcell research.</p>
<p>stem cell research=killling lives to save lives </p>
<p>As you can see, they cancel each other out.
I think this type of research is better off abandoned.</p>
<p>killing what life-- fetus? hahaha</p>
<p>actually...that's where many are mistaken...you can harvest stem cells from umbilical leftovers and they are reproducable...you can grow them in a test tube....no lives lost</p>
<p>its sad how republicans are up in arms over a few cells that MAY one day, if it is successfully implanted and if it doesn't miscarry, become a republican donor</p>
<p>heck, even Nancy Reagan supports embryonic stem cell research</p>