Best and worst PASSHE school?

@mommdc I forgot your son was interested in music education. I don’t think that was an area listed for the TEACH grant. I have too much information floating around in my head these days! You are probably right that any of the state schools would probably be good for education.

@bester1 I so agree with you on the “qualified to make payment” remark. DS only received $5K from Pitt and PSU though he is receiving full tuition + engineering scholarships at Bama. Someone had told me a few years ago his stats would have gotten him far more $ at Pitt, but they are awarding better scholarships to OOS students. The intent being to make it attractive enough for the higher paying OOS to enroll with a higher price tag than the lower costs to the in state students. Don’t know if that was true or not, all I know is I was annoyed w/ both PSU & Pitt.

Also, I agree the review seems awfully rushed, but will be interesting to see their recommendations, to be implemented by this fall? Although dragging it out wouldn’t have been good either. The uncertainty would probably add to the already declining enrollment numbers, who wants to commit to a school with an uncertain future?

@laralei…great points. I think if they had announced that they were going to review/study all of the publics it would have created less anxiety across the board. Doing this only to PASSHE schools created a skewed process that had been in the works for years. It created fear and a likely further drop in enrollment.

Brookings Institute College ratings…thought someone might find this interesting…
https://www.brookings.edu/research/beyond-college-rankings-a-value-added-approach-to-assessing-two-and-four-year-schools/

For those interested in Youngstown State…again…you might be surprised…
Youngstown State approves tuition freeze for third year in a row…
http://www.wfmj.com/story/35667448/youngstown-state-approves-tuition-freeze-for-third-year-in-a-row

YSU tuition remains lowest in Ohio, Western Pennsylvania…
http://www.ysu.edu/news/ysu-tuition-remains-lowest-ohio-western-pennsylvania

Bloomsburg University ranked 5th in the state…

http://www.dailyitem.com/community/bloomsburg-university-ranked-fifth-by-schools-com/article_3efa650e-98a5-5fa1-886c-a4b7a2e5882f.html

http://www.schools.com/online-colleges/pennsylvania

State university officials push for affordable education…
http://triblive.com/local/westmoreland/12422603-74/state-university-officials-push-for-affordable-education

I noticed that schools.com ranking recently (on a Slippery Rock tweet). Not sure how they do their rankings? They seem to combine online and on campus features. Cal U is no.1 in PA because of online accessibility.

The suspisions regarding Penn state are true…amazing they have been getting away with all of this!!

http://triblive.com/news/education/12431474-74/audit-penn-state-most-expensive-public-university-in-big-ten-conference

Penn State should forfeit their state funding and that money should be used for the PASSHE schools that truly serve the residents of the Commonwealth!
http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/pennsylvania/mc-nws-penn-state-tuition-audit-20170622-story.html

http://www.pahomepage.com/news/auditor-general-releases-penn-state-university-audit/748374995

Thanks @bester1. Do those tuition numbers average main and the branch campuses?

Tuition isn’t even the half of it. It’s ~$37k total for State College, which is criminal.

Meant to say - we drove through West Chester’s campus last weekend - the end of a beach vacay and we were exhausted, so we didn’t dally. We did pile out to use the bathroom in the building that houses the pool, which was still open on a Saturday night after an earlier sporting event.

That building appeared old and “public,” in comparison with the other three schools we have visited (Drew, Sewanee and UFlorida). I don’t know how else to describe it - obviously an old building, many-layered painted block walls, old fittings etc…). While UF is public, it’s got a lotta money behind it, and its athletic facilities are to die for.

But the rest of the campus looked quite nice from the car. D was receptive.

Y’all go back me up on this thread now, ya hear?
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/2000375-audit-blast-penn-state-on-out-of-state-students.html#latest

@Gatormama My daughter and I were at West Chester for orientation on Wednesday. I must say that I was impressed by how well organized and informative the sessions for parents were. One of my pet peeves is college financial aid officers (as well as high school guidance counselors) who talk about filing the “FASFA”. Drives me crazy. I was thrilled to hear the West Chester FA officer say FAFSA instead of FASFA. (Yes, my kids call me the grammar and spelling nazi).

WC has an upper and lower part of campus. Not sure which part has the pool. I know the main athletic facilities are in the lower part (near the football field) and those do seem older.

To me the real charm of WC is in the town, so if you visit again make sure you walk or go into the actual town, have lunch, etc.

@kidzncatz - tell me more about orientation and what made your D choose WC, if you get a chance! It’s high on our radar b/c of cost alone, but I’m trying to find more reasons to be excited than simply money.

We went on two visits so far, the smaller Slippery Rock, and the bigger IUP. Both are less than 2 hrs from us.

We signed up for one of the Saturday summer showcases at Slippery Rock. The other one is in August.

They had information tables for different majors set up and they had homemade granola bars and juice for refreshments.
At around 10 they had an admissions info session and then had professors from different majors take groups on a tour.

We went to tour the music building and the professor and some students were very enthusiastic and answered our questions. The music dept is pretty small though, and my son was not thrilled with the marching band requirement for music education majors. The facilities seemed fine, they had their own Mac computer lab.

We also went on a tour of the campus. It was a beautiful sunny day, but quite hot, and the tour guides tried to take us through AC buildings and shady spots along the way. Lots of buildings were closed due to renovations, but we saw the student rec building with a pool, rock wall, and a suspended track. We also got to see a suite-style dorm. They also have a traditional style dorm, which is less expensive. They have an impressive disc golf course.

We were given coupons for a free meal in the all-you-can-eat dining hall. I thought the food was ok. My son did not really look what all was available (they made made-to-order omelets), and just got Pizza, which he didn’t like.

For IUP we signed up for a weekday visit. They are MWF at 9:30 or 1:30. It includes an information session and a tour.

I had tracked down a professor from the music education department and emailed him to ask if we might be able to meet after the tour. He replied that he would be happy to meet with us.

We had received a parking permit for the parking garage, but we could not seem to get to it, since the road leading to it was closed. So we asked at the campus police building if it woukd be ok to park there.

We were a few minutes late arriving at Sutton Hall for the admissions info session, but the friendly receptionist let us in by the back door of the room.

After some information about the school and when to apply, etc, we got to talk to an advisor, who was funny and talked to all the students there, asking them their major, where there are from.

After that we went on a tour of campus, it was only raining lightly by then. The guides were friendly and took us to several buildings, among them the library, the HUB, and a residence hall with differently arranged suites. IUP only has suite-style housing.

We had to leave the tour early because we were meeting with the music education professor.
A lady crossing our path asked us if we needed directions, and told us how to get there.

He was very nice, answered some of our questions, showed us around the music building, and asked my son about his interests and musical background.

IUP’s music department is a good size with a variety of choices of ensembles to participate in. The requirement for music ed majors is participation in one large and small ensemble. They also need to attend several recitals and performances on campus.

We liked both campuses, but my son thought the music department at IUP would be a better fit for him.

@Gatormama I PM’d you.

Interesting…http://www.pennlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/06/state_grant_awards_for_college.html#incart_river_index

Penn State University President Eric Barron received a $224,000 bonus last fiscal year, bringing his total earnings to more than $1 million and placing him among the top 10 highest-paid public college presidents in the country.

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/education/2017/06/28/eric-barron-penn-state-highest-paid-university-presidents-chronicle-higher-education/stories/201706270159

And they want to squeeze that PASSHE schools…?