<p>what is the best art history for undergrad and grad
what about math?</p>
<p>where do you get your information? from just talking with other students?</p>
<p>cuz most places don't rank art history. just wondering.</p>
<p>Art History</p>
<p>Try Johns Hopkins, Brown, Williams</p>
<p>how do u know? from talking to students who attended?</p>
<p>NYU is pretty good in both.</p>
<p>University of Chicago is good in both.</p>
<p>According to the 1995 National Research Council rankings of faculty quality is core academic disciplines, the following research universities have outstanding faculty (top 25) in both art history and math:</p>
<p>SCHOOL (rank in Art History, Math)</p>
<ol>
<li> UC Berkeley (3, 2)</li>
<li>Princeton (6, 1)</li>
<li>Harvard (4, 4)</li>
<li>NYU (1, 9)</li>
<li>Columbia (2, 10)</li>
<li>Yale (5, 7)</li>
<li>Chicago (10, 5)</li>
<li>Michigan (11, 9)</li>
<li>Stanford (14, 6)</li>
<li>UCLA (13, 12)</li>
<li>Penn (9, 22)</li>
<li>Brown (18, 16)</li>
<li>Cornell (23, 15)</li>
<li>Rutgers (20, 19)</li>
<li>Texas (19, 23)</li>
</ol>
<p>Many top LACs also have good art history and math programs, but I can't speak to which ones.</p>
<p>Personally, if I were thinking about studying art history I'd want to be in a city with first class art museums where you can see the work firsthand. That argues for NYU or Columbia first and foremost; secondarily perhaps Chicago or Harvard; tertiarily UCLA, Penn, and perhaps places like Princeton and Yale from which the New York museums are an easy day trip.</p>
<p>art history plus math screams williams</p>
<p>bclintonk,</p>
<p>thanks for that info, it is exactly the kind of thing i was looking for.</p>
<p>Gwilliams, please don't put too much emphasis in those rankings.</p>
<ol>
<li><p>The NRC study was published in 1995 and was based on data collected earlier, so the data are at best more than 13 years old. Things can change a lot in that many years --with specific programs contracting/expanding, faculty coming/going, financial support going up/down, etc.</p></li>
<li><p>The NRC study ranked GRADUATE programs, which may or may not be relevant to undergraduate programs.</p></li>
<li><p>The NRC rankings were based primarily on peer assessments of faculty quality, with no consideration or measurement of the actual content of the individual programs or it's effectiveness at teaching students. As with any peer assessment, personal biases can heavily affect the outcome.</p></li>
</ol>
<p>For <em>undergraduate</em> art history, one of the biggest names is Williams. Williams is small and rural, but it just happens to be located next door to the Clark</a> Art Institute, which is one of the country's top teaching museums, and which cooperates closely with the college. The Williams College Museum of Art and the Massachusetts Museum of Contemporary Art also offer significant collections nearby. </p>
<p>Williams grads are so prevalent in the US art museum community that they are nicknamed "the Williams Art Mafia" (Google it!). The Wikipeidia [url=<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Williams_College_people%5Dlist%5B/url">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Williams_College_people]list[/url</a>] of Williams alumni includes a separate section on "Curators and Museum Directors", including current or former directors at the Guggenheim, MoMA, National Gallery, Los Angeles County Museum of Art, Art Institute of Chicago...</p>
<p>Williams is also regarded as very strong for undergraduate math. Four math faculty members have been awarded [url=<a href="http://www.maa.org/Awards/Haimo_Recipients.html%5DHaimo%5B/url">http://www.maa.org/Awards/Haimo_Recipients.html]Haimo[/url</a>] awards for undergraduate teaching, which must put the dept. at or near the top in this regard. It's particularly impressive given the dept's small size.</p>
<p>When comparing large schools with grad programs the NRC or US News dept. rankings are pretty darn reliable indicators for the best programs around. The survey is so large that personal bias has little impact.</p>
<p>Dude, This is like 2008. Not 1995 :)</p>
<p>Art History - 2006
Chronicle</a> Facts & Figures: Faculty Scholarly Productivity Index</p>
<p>Johns Hopkins, NYU, Yale, Berkeley, UChicago, <--- Very consistent with what previous users said.</p>
<p>As for LACs, Williams is definitely a good one as well.</p>
<p>Schools that were good tend to stay good. Academics don't change that much--even over 10 years.</p>
<p>How do I know? I was a former History of Art student at Hopkins. You really don't know unless the tour guide tells you so. Most things have to do with accessibility to high class art museums nearby and close collboration between the faculty and facility curators.</p>
<p>I took Spanish American Art and Architecture: European and Islamic Elements at Harvard and the Harvard professor was Good. Harvard has the Fogg musuem nearby and Arthur Sackler, Busch Reisinger Art musuems near by. We didn't visit any of those musuems.</p>
<p>I took Art of the Ancient Americas at Johns Hopkins, and the teacher was terrfic, I believe even more so than the Harvard professor. The class was rigorous and very intellectually stimulating. Unfortunately, I didn't do so well in that class because I thought I'd take it as a joke class just to see what it is like and so did other lacrosse players who just took it for like an A. That was truly not the case because this department is serious about you learning the materials and we took frequent trips to the Baltimore Musuem of Art which is located on our homewood campus to take a tour of the Ancient Americas section they had. Also, we took frequent trips down to the Walters Art Museum down on our Peabody Conservatory campus as well.</p>
<p>All in all, this lady knew what she was talking about, and was extremely generous in helping me. I even offer her a chance on how to improve note taking capabilities on our class and she was so glad that she was willing to help me fund the Tech Fellowship grant of $1000 while I was a freshman. I was astounded by how nice she was and how interested and passionate she was about the subject. I'm not sure if the rest of the department was like that, but damn, she really looked out for undergrads and I couldn't say thank you enough for that.</p>
<p>With that said, Hopkins for Art History. :)</p>
<p>The new NRC rankings will be out in the fall. My guess is they won't change very much from 1995---universities know their own strengths and generally work very hard to maintain or improve on departments where they're already strong. But we will see some minor upward and downward adjustments. As for the fact that NRC focuses on graduate programs: faculty quality is faculty quality. In a field like art history, you definitely want to study with the best of the best, the people who truly know what they're talking about. The NRC rankings won't tell you anything about LACs, but for research universities they're a pretty good indicator of how people in the field see the departments at various schools. And in that context, I'd say definitely Johns Hopkins for art history (#7 in 1995 NRC rankings), but it just misses the top 25 in math (#29). Still, not a bad bet.</p>
<p>As for LACs, seeking art history and math... I immediately thought of Williams (for reasons stated above), Haverford, and Bryn Mawr.</p>
<p>Haverford is co-ed, but Bryn Mawr is for women only (don't know your gender), but both schools are relevant for the combo you mentioned. Haverford and Bryn Mawr have a joint relationship allowing students at either college to "major" at either of the two schools. Haverford has a great math dept. and Bryn Mawr has a great art history program. </p>
<p>So, if you're a male, I'd add Haverford. And, if you're a woman I'd add both.</p>
<p>Northwestern is #8 in Art History and #27 in Math in that 1995 ranking. I believe its math has improved and USN ranked it #18 in 2008 (#24 in 1996).</p>
<p>The fact that NYU has about 27 full-time art history profs shows how much they emphasize it. Most others have 10-15.</p>
<p>For undergrad art history:
1. Most large universities have good art history departments. For example, Michigan, Berkeley, Virginia. There are others.
2. All of the ivy league (except maybe Dartmouth) with special commendation for Brown and Yale.
3. Among medium selectives, Stanford, Johns Hopkins, NYU, CMU are excellent
4. Small LACs: Williams, Wesleyan, Oberlin, Kenyon, Skidmore, Conn College, Hamilton, Bard. If you are female, Smith and Bryn Mawr.</p>
<p>Many of these also have strong math departments. </p>
<p>For graduate school, there are just a few that offer masters: Williams, Bard, Brown. PhD programs depend on your area of interest. There are many all over the country.</p>
<p>How do you know? Look at the number of courses in the on-line catalog. Look at access to museum on or near campus. Look at the career placement center for internships. Look at where the graduates end up -- PhD programs, museum directorships, curators.</p>
<p>My son was a dual major art history, art studio at Williams. As many have noted, it's one of the best in the country with notable museum placements and professorships. There are three world class museums on or near campus. Internships and hands-on learning experiences are widely secured. The math department is also excellent.</p>
<p>In general art history is a fairly common major and is well taught at many schools. Choose the one that fits your personal preference in ambience and learning style.</p>
<p>Rugg’s Recommendations for Art History</p>
<p>Barnard (NY) …….
Bowdoin (ME) …..
Brown (HI) …..
Bryn Mawr (PA) ….
California, U. of (Los Angeles) ..’
Case Western Reserve U. (OH) …..
Chicago, U. of (IL) …
Columbia (NY) ……..
Harvard (MA) ,…..
Johns Hopkins (MD) …..
Michigan, U. of …..,
Mount Holyoke (MA) …..
New York U. ……..
North Carolina, U. of ……
Qberlin (OH) …..
Pennsylvania, U. of …….
Princeton (NJ) ………
Rochester, U. of (NY) ….
Skidmore (NY) ……….
Smith (MA) …..
Swarthmore (PA) ….,
Trinity (TX) ……
Vassar (NY) .,
Washington U. (MO) …
Wellesley (MA) ………..
Willamette (OR) ……..,
Williams (MA) ……
Yale (CT) ….., </p>
<p>Gourman Ranking for art history:
NYU
harvard
Princeton
Yale
Columbia
UC Berkeley
Stanford
Bryn Mawr
U Michigan AA
Johns Hopkins
U Penn
UCLA
U Chicago
Brown
UNC Chapel Hill
Cornell
U Pittsburgh
Indiana U Bloomington
U Delaware
UVA
Boston U
U Maryland College Park
Northwestern
Rutgers NB
U Minnesota
Penn State
U Kansas
U Iowa
U Texas Austin
washington U St Louis
U Wisconsin madison
Ohio State
U Washington
Case Western
U new Mexico
U Oregon
U Georgia
U Missouri Columbia
Florida State
USC
Ohio U</p>