Another top rated business school that nobody has mentioned-BU Questrom. Boston is close enough to NYC so that internships are possible.
Another good OOS public option is UT-McCombs. Although UT has a mandate to take in-state students first before OOS. Which I agree with-serve your in-state kids first before going for the OOS money.
@RedbirdDad you could go to Boston and see BU, BC, Northeastern, Bentley, and Babson…
Just a heads up. One of our kids majored in engineering in undergrad…dad is an engineer. She more than “kind of” understood it. She really understood it. She loved the courses, and did finish the degree with out changing majors…but she added a second major which was more to her liking. She realized during her engineering course of study that, while she loved the coursework, she did not like the kinds of work engineering entails. She will never be an engineer.
So…just because your son “kind of understands” business and it’s the “world you are in” doesn’t make it the best major for him.
Just saying!
Absolutely apply to RPI with that RPI Medal its a guaranteed scholarship.
Business school is good and lots of quantitative skills would be gained.
RPI also has two law programs, with solid New York State law schools.
https://lallyschool.rpi.edu/programs
I would not look at Alabama, its really not what its cracked up to be, in Tuscaloosa, so much.
Its just really not a good education, in my opinion, although business is passable, and Alabama grads
get to Wash DC often as they are so sick of Alabama after the four years. Its pretty dismal in Alabama right now.
Auburn and maybe U of Alabama in Birmingham really are better, but Tuscaloosa is the football school.
I think Warton is not the way to go, go to Penn Arts and Sciences, math plus economics, its much better, if you are really look at U of Penn.
Binding ED really helps at Penn.
Since your son is strong in math and science, he maybe should look at a big data degree, instead of business and economics, but i don’t know how set your son is on business.
Big Data is excellent at Case Western in Ohio, and merit scholarships are strong there, also accounting and finance degrees are solid at Case Western-
https://case.edu/datascience/
He should play to his strengths in math and science, if possible. Thats where the money is, for those
that have quantitative skills. So, go to the most quantitative school with the best rank that you can afford,
but don’t overlook good merit at RPI. Troy is better than it used to be, Albany coming back for jobs, and the Hudson River Valley is very pretty. More flights in and out of Albany NY now too.
Did I miss something that he isn’t considering Catholic schools? Otherwise ND, BC, Villanova would seem to merit further looks from your son.
thumper1, I’m in total agreement with you. My comment about him choosing business because he sort of understands it because of what I do was not a justification. It was a, “he doesn’t know and picked an answer and should sort this out for himself.” That’s our job. Find out who he really is, what he really wants and go for that.
Dear readers and contributors…it is amazing the quality and quantity of feedback shared on this board and in direct emails. This is an amazing community that models the way things should be. I’m simply stunned at the jump in clarity that has been gained in last two days via this board and thankful. If you ever wonder if your input matters, it does.
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@RedbirdDad If your son is not sure of his future career aspirations or college major…I would suggest choosing a college with a great core course requirement. This requires that students take courses across many disciplines…and many students find something that piques their interest, or a college mentor who piques their interest.
Or they realize that something they thought the liked…they don’t actually like as much.
I know folks will say “but if he wants direct admit to business school…”. Well…if he isn’t sure about business, there are lots of ways to enter business without being a business major.
Just food for thought.
Just FYI…University of Richmond 's (Robins Business School) admissions rate for this year (Class of 2023) dropped to 27%.
Hamurtle…USC is a good suggestion. My brother got his Masters from Annenberg and was adjunct faculty there for 9 years. My son already has the wardrobe for USC:) The various challenges from leadership, admissions scandal etc likely are even an opportunity. Probably less applicants for a season…potentially increasing chances. It’s a good/great brand, crazy alumni network with a lot of resources. Also filling up with Chinese nationals who are bringing their share of endowment money which is going to make USC more of a force in long run. Those dollars allow USC to buy East Coast profs. Happens every day. I’m not a fan of the neighborhood, having been there 20 times. Son isn’t a big sports fan and doesn’t identify with some of the “Country Club” feel. Bottom line…great school, but intuition says not the right fit for this one. My first did want to go Viterbi because of the Qualcomm/cell phone connection…seemed a fit when he was on that path…didn’t get in and changed to Fine Arts. That worked out for everyone:)
Thumper1, I do like your thoughts on the core requirements. Depending on the school and how they receive AP, he’ll have almost two years of them done but of course, the standards are different, the better the school. I will never forget that Apple Mac happened because Jobs audited Calligraphy class …never know what the spark is. The feedback loops here are helping me talk with my kid about exploring math and econ as undergrad…big data opportunity…lots of opps…get MBA after. Starting to feel better all the time and much easier to switch to another major if he finds something that fits better. Meanwhile, we’ll do some work with Strong Interest, Johnson O Connor and other exploration in next month to tighten up passion areas. Your feedbacks and several others may help this kid find something that works yet. I continue to appreciate all the help from those who have been on this path before.
I would compare the University of Utah to Arizona/ASU when looking at potential safeties. The merit aid is better in Utah, he would likely get full tuition and he could potentially compete for their full ride cohort scholarships (30 per year). There are some interesting options in the Honors College and the business school, including entrepreneurship and a startup/maker space. Utah is more outdoor oriented (especially skiing) rather than party oriented.
But note that the biggest Utah scholarships are competitive on “cumulative GPA, ACT/SAT scores, and the holistic admissions process”, and require a 3.6 college GPA to renew.
https://financialaid.utah.edu/types-of-aid/scholarships/freshman/presidents-scholarship.php
https://financialaid.utah.edu/types-of-aid/scholarships/freshman/academic-excellence-scholarship.php
Twoin18, how is UU for a non - LDS kid? Utah is a beauty of a state …love love love it. Is it hard to date at UU if you’re not LDS? BTW, love LDS people, we’re not…
Utah has generous grading policies so a 3.6 GPA is pretty easy to maintain if you qualify for the scholarships (where you would be far above the mid 50% range) and don’t spend all your time skiing - generally you would be surprised/disappointed by any grade lower than an A. They publish the GPA percentiles by major, the 50th percentile is around 3.5 for most majors. The full ride (Eccles) renewal requirement is 3.5, and they said no one has ever lost the scholarship by not meeting that cutoff. To get the Presidential OOS award this year needed a 36 ACT, whereas 34-35 typically received the full tuition OOS award (note with that you still pay a couple of thousand dollars in fees as well as room and board). Eccles is more than just stats, they look for a cohort with different majors and backgrounds, and a 34 ACT wouldn’t be out of the running at all.
My D18 loves it there (she had similar stats, 4.0UW/35 ACT/9 APs with 8 5s, went there primarily for dance, also got into UCB, UCLA, etc.). She has had no problem finding plenty of friends who are non-religious (like her), and from what I can see mostly the girls are more liberal than the guys. The outdoor lifestyle is wonderful, especially if you like skiing (30 mins to Snowbird) and many students have cars and take lots of camping and backpacking trips to Moab, Bryce and the other national parks. Its a vastly underrated school (especially here in CA) with lots of donated money and amazing facilities.
I m honestly surprised that the school has not been mentioned yet, but UNC Keenan-Flagler should be targeted as well as it should check the boxes of a top business school.
Even though UNC takes in-state students as a first priority, @RedbirdDad’s son should have the numbers to get in.
A classmate of my son is currently attending UNC as a premed and if I recall correctly she had no hooks and UNC is completely out of the box for California residents. We’re from a school district in the Bay Area which is one of the best in California which still has some diversity (half Asian/half Caucasian).
And good luck to the Blues as well. Having a son going to college in St. Louis has converted me to a St. Louis sports fan, even as a Silicon Valley resident.
I would advise your son to give strong consideration both to WashU and to Rice. Plenty of students with similar profiles have gained admission to those schools recently. Both offer excellent quality of life, and Rice has recently upped its [already strong] financial aid game to appeal to middle class families who sometimes have too much to qualify for tons of need-based aid and too little to be able to do full-pay without financial stress.
While Rice doesn’t have a business school, it does have a strong econ major and a very popular business minor. Since the university is less business-focused than some peer schools, students interested in fields like banking and consulting facing less internal competition for interviews than is often the case elsewhere, and job outcomes are very good.
If you are really after big merit money and are willing to fly under the radar in terms of big-school name recognition, you might want to take a look at Rollins in Orlando, which has a competitive merit scholarship program that is designed to lure recruits away from top-tier schools. Your son might have a shot at a full ride there.
If true, that seems like an attractive place for pre-meds to attend, if they get the big scholarship there (free undergraduate, unlikely for GPA to fall below what a pre-med needs).
@ucbalumnus Yes, and it has a great medical center/teaching hospital onsite. The grade distribution by subject is here:
https://www.obia.utah.edu/data/student-data/grade-summary/
Biology: 35% A (appears to include A-) across all courses taken
Chemistry: 51% A
Physics: 58% A
Math: 37% A
(Incidentally for Honors College courses, the grade distribution is 81% As).
@MrSamford2014 I recall OP mentioning that he preferred something outside of the St. Louis area. Plus WashU is pretty bad with any kind of aid for donut hole/middle class families. Rice sounds promising though and Houston should afford a lot of opportunities in business.
Although it isn’t really a business school in the traditional sense, Cornell Dyson might merit an application.