Best Contemporary Composition Programs?

<p>Found this further on the music composition program at the Bass School of Music at Oklahoma City University:</p>

<p>Since the arrival of Dr. Edward Knight in 1997, composers from his studio have been accepted into the composition graduate programs at Juilliard, Yale University, Manhattan School of Music, New England Conservatory, University of Southern California’s Scoring for Motion Pictures and Television Program, New York University’s Graduate Musical Theater Writing Program at Tisch School for the Arts, San Francisco Conservatory, Cal Arts, University of Texas at Austin, University of California at Santa Barbara, University of Arizona, Bowling Green State University, University of Louisville, the Conservatory of Music at University of Missouri-Kansas City, Florida State University, University of Oklahoma, and London’s Royal College of Music.</p>

<p>Hi – I would like suggestions for the right program for my 16 year son. We live in a remote area of a rural state, so we don’t have access to much advice on the subject. He is a junior in high school, and he is a very serious classical composer and a good pianist. He has been studying with a composition professor in NY (by phone and internet) for 18 months now, and wins multi-state (music teacher) competitions for his piano playing. He has composed extensively (many pieces for the piano, string quartets, piano trio, flute-piano combo) and is now finishing up a symphony for a small orchestra. We have some of these recorded, but as he composes for more instruments, this is becoming more difficult. He does alright in school (3.8 average with AP and honors courses) and as a junior has SATs in mid to high 600s. </p>

<p>He would like a school with an excellent classical composition program. He wants to be able to pursue secondary studies in piano as well. But he also wants to be able to take liberal arts courses. He is interested in literature, social sciences and writing – he writes and often, especially about his more unusual skiing and white water paddling exploits. But I am not sure he is up for a full dual degree program – but perhaps we do not understand what those involve.</p>

<p>I have found just three schools that seem like they might fit, but we are nervous that he may not qualify, so I am wondering if we are missing other opportunities. We are looking for music schools embedded in liberal arts institutions, so that participating in the liberal arts programs will not be too difficult. Other than Northwestern U, University of Michigan, and Oberlin, does anyone have any other suggestions?</p>

<p>Thanks so much for any responses.</p>

<p>A collection of some of the past general composition threads, with plenty of insights and suggestions. Hopefully, some of the comp parents such as SpiritManager, compmom, Hunt may chime in. </p>

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<p>Good morning musicboymom – Since your son is interested in both piano and composition, with a strong liberal arts component, definitely check out the Bass School of Music at Oklahoma City University. Unlike many of the music schools with household names, the program specializes in the training of undergraduate composers. OCU also sponsors a national competition for high school composers – <a href=“http://www.project21composers.com/competition/[/url]”>http://www.project21composers.com/competition/&lt;/a&gt; – that your son might want to look at for next year. Best of luck with your quest.</p>

<p>musicboymom - Welcome. Don’t worry - there are lots of programs out there which will work well for your son as an undergrad. Not quite sure from the ones you mentioned what your criteria is, and why only those three. Is money an issue? Location? Some of the usual suspects in the midwest/mideast not on your list are Indiana, CCM/Cincinnati, Univ. of Iowa, UMKC (Univ. of Missouri, Kansas City), Lawrence University, Univ. of Illinois/Champaign-Urbana, Univ. of Wisconsin. Vanderbilt to the south. Further afield, there are dozens more.
Questions to think about:
What kind of classical music written in the last 50 years appeals to your son? Different departments emphasize different aesthetics.
Is money an issue? Do you need financial aid? Merit aid?
Does he want a small department, or a large one? Many professors to choose from, or is he going to pick a school for one particular composer?
What caliber of peers is he looking for? On the professional music track, or just loving music? World class conservatory level playing, or students who play/practice for the fun of it only?
What kind of performance opportunities is he looking for, for his compositions? How much competition within the department?
If he is studying piano in addition to composition - does he want it to be in a major studio - or will he be satisfied studying with a grad student. For instance, when my son considered Northwestern - not having applied as a dual performance and composition major - his cello lessons would have been with a grad student. Not so at Michigan. (At least we didn’t think so - I think I read something contrary to that on here the other day…) Some composition programs require study on a primary instrument, some do not. That will be something for you to investigate to differentiate between the programs.
How challenging does he want the academics to be? How many non-music courses per semester does he want to take?</p>

<p>How did you choose the New York composer with whom he works? Some of the same criteria might apply to picking a college program. Does that composer have suggestions for him?</p>

<p>For composers, especially ones interested in lots of subjects - often a BA is an equally good route to take. A good music department at a liberal arts college will offer courses in composition and piano, have opportunities for performances, teach music theory - and provide everything the composer needs to pursue a graduate degree in composition.</p>

<p>I also suggest he spends next summer at a composition program where he will meet other young composers and serious musicians, as well as professionals who can give him advice on the direction to take. Yellow Barn, California Summer Music, BUTI, come to mind first - but I know there are others which are mentioned in discussions in this Forum. Northwestern and CCM offer high school summer composition programs - and I remember posting about Minnesota, I believe, last year which had a new program.</p>

<p>Often what you think your son will want as a Junior is not where he will end up. I just reread a post by Heleta that was linked above whose son she thought would want Composition and Piano at a conservatory. He ended up at Harvard - working towards a masters at NEC in their dual program (Harvard first 3 years/ NEC final two - kind of like those engineering programs offered - with composition lessons at NEC the first 3 years.)</p>

<p>No need for your son to apply to dozens of schools - but know that there are literally dozens of good choices for him from which to narrow down his list. Make sure you get him heavily vested in the process. He is the one who will be working with these folks - he needs to be the one to think long and hard about what it is he feels he needs.</p>

<p>PM’ed you…</p>

<p>ViolaDad, BassDad, is it possible to move this new part of the thread to a new thread? The poster could copy and paste and hit “new thread” on the top left for her original post, but is there a way to move it, along with the replies given so far?</p>

<p>compmom, neither BassDad or I have are moderators or administrators (the designation would appear under the user name, in lieu of member classification for those wanting to know). </p>

<p>It’s not unusual, particularly in this sub forum, for an older thread to start a new life, or go off in a different tangent than the title suggests. Actually, a lot of the best “stuff” is found in the strangest places, one of the reasons I add crosslinks.</p>

<p>As for the logistics of actually moving the “new” portion which I assume starts at post#22, there are two ways to accomplish this.</p>

<p>The first would be to hit the “report problem post” button in the last reply, and type the request in the dialog box that appears. </p>

<p>The second would be to pm a moderator directly with the specific request. I’ve found that the moderators paying3tuitions and Chedva tend to be extremely responsive to requests for action in our section. </p>

<p>In either case, the mods will review the request in relation to their operational guidelines.</p>

<p>Thank you all for taking the time to respond. I have no idea about starting a new thread – I’m too new. Should I do that?</p>

<p>My son has been going to California Summer Music for the past two years and loves it – that is how he hooked up with the composition professor from NY. He plans to return next summer as well. </p>

<p>There is no doubt in my mind that he will still want to do composition and piano next year, and ten and 20 years from now as well. This is what he does – he sits at the piano and plays when he is relaxing and when he is working. He is prolific, and his music is both lyrical and novel. Very interesting and moody, yet pleasant to listen to (says his completely unbiased mom). We have recordings of several pieces.</p>

<p>Peers – he wants the best, as he wants to make his living doing what he loves. </p>

<p>Style – he started with the romantics and has tilted toward the modern. He says his favorite contemporary composer is Barbour. </p>

<p>He loves to write stories and essays and want more education in that. He also wants good, small classes in a variety of subjects. But – no more than half time in non-music. The academics is work to him, the music is pure joy. </p>

<p>I want him to go to a college which will really teach him how to think, as well as to make his living composing and playing. </p>

<p>We have UMich and NW and Oberlin (which may not be a good fit for a classical composer, apparently) on the list. But I was worried that only applying to 3 or 4 schools may not be a safe course of action.
His transcript shows a gpa of 3.8 but this based on inflated grades from honors and AP classes. In addition to the music, there is a lot of extracurricular stuff on the resume – community service, etc. </p>

<p>So what are realistic goals here? That is what we are stumped about.
Thank you!</p>

<p>MBM, my son is at UMich and really enjoying his experience. He’s pursuing a different curriculae (Performing Arts Technology - Music/media stream, which includes electronic composition, scoring, recording/reinforcement and multimedia) but as such he also studies with some of the same professors as the pure composition students as part of his sequence, and in addition is quite a writer. One of the things he really enjoys is that his program is intmate (16 students, only 4 in his discipline) but benefits from a much larger SOM (1,000 students apx. including dance and music theater) with multiple degrees and as such, musicians/actors/dancers with which to work. Re: the earlier note – if you are not a major in the studio you’re taking, it is possible to have a GSI as instructor. This seems reasonable to me. If you are a major, my understanding is that you will have a faculty instructor. Some people don’t care for the fact that Michigan assigns its studios AFTER acceptance – eg. does not positively guarantee whose studio you’ll be in. I cannot reliably report whether this has later caused an issue as in my son’s case he’s always had the studio instructor he’s requested, first choice, and he’s not even a performance major, so on the face of it, it seems likely one might get who they choose.</p>

<p>Regarding applying, I also want to let you know that Michigan no longer recalculates the GPA to unweighted/academic only, so the AP transcript, if that’s what’s on his transcript, will be what is considered. If his ACT/SAT are equally strong and he is roughly top 10% of his class, he is a good fit for the school itself. However, since the School of Music is very similar to a conservatory, if he applies strictly to the BMus composition program (wherein he will have piano studio), he would only need academic clearance to audition, which I suspect he would receive handily.</p>

<p>It is possible, with the addition of a fifth year often necessary, to dual degree between LSA or the College of Engineering and the School of Music. To do so, be sure he applies to BOTH programs - each admittance is independent of each other. There is also a long list of available minors. Another route would be a Bachelor of Musical Arts, which is designed more for cognate pursuit and less specialized than the BMus composition.</p>

<p>With respect to academic class sizes – there are ways to ensure that you’re in a smaller class at UMich (eg. honors, or Lloyd Hall Program or Residential College program, all of which are more socratic in nature) but in general freshman and sophomore “weeder” classes such as orgo chem etc. are very very large, with smaller discussion groups. At the same time, UMich has one of the very best (ranked 2nd in the US) MFA programs in creative writing and thus has exceptional instructors in that area.</p>

<p>However, with respect to class size, I’d generally expect Northwestern and Oberlin to each offer a more intimate academic experience, but possibly in an environment less diverse with a smaller array of programs/courses from which to select (my son has friends at each and this seems to be the consensus). </p>

<p>If your son pursues/falls in love with/is accepted to Michigan and elects to attend, please feel free to pm me for details on ways to recreate a smaller/liberal arts academic environment if you wish. Eg. we’d be happy to send you a list of the small classes my son typically enrolls in outside the SOM. It takes a bit of doing to make that part work :wink:
Cheers,
K</p>

<p>Jennifer Jolley, a grad student in composition at CCM was interviewed on Sequenza 21 (a composer’s website) about the recent Midwest Composer’s Symposium held this year at CCM. Each year it moves between the member schools. She has some interesting observations about the subtle differences in the musical aesthetics between the composition departments at the participating schools (Michigan, Iowa, CCM, Indiana.) [Sequenza21/</a> » Last Weekend in Cincinnati](<a href=“http://www.sequenza21.com/2010/10/last-weekend-in-cinicinnati/]Sequenza21/”>Last Weekend in Cincinnati)</p>

<p>^LOL re the author’s reference to the “aggressive” flavor of compositions under the influence of Daugherty. McSon was fortunate enough via his internship to help run tech at the experimental Once More festival celebrating 50 years of electronic music, which Daugherty co-directed ;)</p>

<p>West Chester has a surprisingly good composition department. All the faculty were educated at either yale, princeton, Upenn, etc. In the past 4 years, the WCU comp department has sent students to UPenn, Curtis, and CCM for their graduate work. </p>

<p>Because it’s a state school, the acceptance rate is somewhat high, and some of your colleagues will not be nearly the same caliber as the students who did go onto curtis, upenn, etc., but if you can deal with that, the level of education is top notch.</p>

<p>As far as double majoring goes, it really depends on your department. if you’re looking at majoring in science, poli sci, business (the accounting program is particularly tough), or education, wcu would be a good fit. The math department on the other hand is absolutely awful, and i wouldn’t suggest coming to west chester if you’re looking to double major in math.</p>

<p>Wow, that is good info on West Chester. I visited there with my S a few weeks ago and frankly he was barely awake and not into it. It was only a general tour and not a tour of the school of music. He did interview one of the professors there for his senior graduation project, which was a composition. </p>

<p>Do you know if all prospective composition students must audition on piano? That is what the website seems to suggest. My S can barely play piano but is a very good composer and learned theory mostly on guitar.</p>