<p>i was just wondering what the top undergrad buisness schools are. i know upenn wharton is the best, but what other pretigious/semi-prestigious undergrad buisness schools are out there?</p>
<p>Stern at NYU is one of the top schools, UMich, Cornell has a very good program, UNC-Kenan-flagler (i believe), Carnegie Mellon...all are in the top 12-15 undergrad
b-schools...i only know about the east coast schools tho i dunno the good west coast schools...some lower level but still reely solid choices would be 29. Georgetown-Mcdonough, BC-Caroll, Notre Dame is all little bit better than the last two!!! check out U.S. News and world reprt for the fulll list</p>
<p>As much as I hate to say it, being an Aggie fan, the University of Texas-Austin has an excellent business school, and ranking don't tell all, but I believe it's ranked top ten by US News.</p>
<p>It's also a relatively easy school to get into(though it is, indeed, the largest school in the nation).</p>
<p>Texas A&M similarly has an excellent business school although their focus is more on the graduate side. </p>
<p>I've heard of people going to far more "prestigious schools" and then coming back to Texas(or going for the first time) to either A&M or Austin for their graduate, because both schools are so excellent.</p>
<p>cornell doesnt even have an undergraduate business school unless you're doing hospitality management. But it has a great grad b-school</p>
<p>If your looking for a good undergrad buisness school with a grest rep, i say the Haskayne School of buisness in Calgary Alberta is the way to go. They have great connections with many multinationals, both canadian and American and it's a really good school if you're looking for a very lucrative career in oil.</p>
<p>Paramdog, Cornell has the AEM program within its College of Agriculture. It's the Applied Economics and Management program, considered its undergrad business school. It's a strong program.</p>
<p>yo paramdog, if u dont know than dont talk please...especially when ur refuting a statement i made. Cornell most definetely does have a business program which is called Applied Economics and Management. It is ranked 14 by U.S. News and World Report to further prove its status as an Undergraduate Business School. Next time paramdog please don't misinform the fellow members of collegeconfidential.</p>
<p>Dabird, your information is actually outdated. Cornell is not #14 in the USNWR of top undergraduate B-programs. It is now #12.</p>
<p>Wharton is generally considered #1.</p>
<p>GROUP II (not far bellow Wharton):
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Sloan)
University of California-Berkeley (Haas)
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor</p>
<p>GROUP III (amazing programs):
- Carnegie Mellon University (Tepper)
- New York University (Stern) Note that NYU is second only to Wharton in Finance. So if IBanking is something you want, NYU belongs in the group above.
- University of North Carolina-Chapell Hill (Kenan Flagler)
- University of Southern California (Marshall)
- University of Texas-Austin (McCombs)
- University of Virginia (McIntire)</p>
<p>GROUP IV (excellent programs):
- Cornell University (yes, Cornell does indeed have a Business program for undergrads)
- Emory University (Guizueta)
- Georgetown University (McDonough)
- Indiana University-Bloomington (Indiana)
- Michigan State University-East Lansing (Broad)
- Ohio State University-Columbus (Fisher)
- Pennsylvania State University-University Park (Smeal)
- Purdue University-West Lafayette (Krannert)
- University of Illinois- Urbana Champaign
- University of Maryland-College Park (Smith)
- University of Minnesota-Twin Cities (Carlson)
- University of Notre Dame
- University of Washington
- University of Wisconsin-Madison
- Washington University (Olin)</p>
<p>GROUP V (other solid programs)
- Arizona State University (Carey)
- Babson College
- Boston College (Carroll)
- Boston University
- Case Western Reserve University (Weatherhead)
- Texas A&M University-College Station (Mays)
- University of Arizona (Eller)
- University of Florida (Warrington)
- University of Georgia (Terry)
- Wake Forest University (Calloway)</p>
<p>The USNWR rankings for undergrad programs are not very helpful. Basically, a survey is sent to the chairs and program directors of undergraduate programs. THe chairs are asked to rank each program on a scale of 1 - 5. The rankings are collated and reported. Unlike the MBA rankings, there is no objective data that is used to create the rankings. </p>
<p>Often, the undergrad ranking is closely tied to the MBA ranking or to the ranking of its home university; a program with an emphasis on its MBA program is not necessarily going to be investing a lot of resources in its undergraduate program.</p>
<p>As you can see there are plenty of good business schools. They range from the top of the scale with Wharton to Penn State to specialty schools such as Bentley and Babson. Just don't rely on the rankings too heavily because they do tend to shift a lot and as mentioned before the method used to achieve these rankings isn't based on a series of factors instead of opinions.</p>
<p>"Dabird, your information is actually outdated. Cornell is not #14 in the USNWR of top undergraduate B-programs. It is now #12.</p>
<p>Wharton is generally considered #1.</p>
<p>GROUP II (not far bellow Wharton):
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Sloan)
University of California-Berkeley (Haas)
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor</p>
<p>GROUP III (amazing programs):
- Carnegie Mellon University (Tepper)
- New York University (Stern) Note that NYU is second only to Wharton in Finance. So if IBanking is something you want, NYU belongs in the group above.
- University of North Carolina-Chapell Hill (Kenan Flagler)
- University of Southern California (Marshall)
- University of Texas-Austin (McCombs)
- University of Virginia (McIntire)"</p>
<p>Good God you are an idiot. There's a handful of universities with a higher average SAT than Stern, and Michigan/Berkeley are nowhere near that. I know those schools have solid reputations and faculty and I know you think Usnews=the Bible, but based on objective facts you are either an idiot or lying to yourself.</p>
<p>US News ranks UG Business Programs, not Business Schools.</p>
<p>And as you guys said, Cornell has a business PROGRAM in the AEM DEPARTMENT in the Agriculture SCHOOL. So no, it doesn't have an undergraduate business school. It has an undergraduate business program.</p>
<p>What's the difference? When you're comparing a business program in a department like AEM to an actual business school there are going to be HUGE differences when it comes to things like # courses offered (60 vs. 174 at Wharton), # faculty (46 vs. 250+ at Wharton), # majors or specializations (4 vs 18), etc.</p>
<p>Cornell doesn't even call it a business school...</p>
<p>I agree, I would choose AEM regardless of USNEWS rank over Michigan or Berkeley, because you know the student body is better and the program is more rigorous.</p>
<p>thats ridiculous talk. Ross and Haas is much highly recruited than from AEM. When judging biz school you judge based on corporate presence because people go to biz school to get a position not for "the student body is better or the program is rigorous". BTW I believe both of these reasons are absolutely false.</p>
<p>NYUSternman, for starters, if SAT scores were the only indicator of quality, then MIT, not Penn would have the best B school in the land.</p>
<p>Secondly, Cal and Michigan have mean SAT scores similar to NYU. According to the latest official numbers, here are the mid 50% SAT ranges for the three schools:</p>
<p>Cal: 1200-1450
Michigan: 1240-1400
NYU: 1220-1410</p>
<p>But Haas and Ross are more well rounded than Stern. Stern is excellent in Finance and good in Accounting. So are Haas and Ross. But Haas and Ross are also excellent in Management, Marketing and Production/Operations... Stern is not. </p>
<p>And by the way, like you, I do not believe int eh USNWR. I think it is a very questionable publication.</p>
<p>wrong, because wharton probably has a higher SAT than Penn.
"But Haas and Ross are more well rounded than Stern. Stern is excellent in Finance and good in Accounting. So are Haas and Ross. But Haas and Ross are also excellent in Management, Marketing and Production/Operations... Stern is not."
I don't know where you get this.
Second, even NYU CAS has a higher average SAt than those schools and Stern is at a 1412. To put those schools above Stern is ludicruous. I know people at Ross with 1200s whereas most everyone at Stern is at a 1450 or above. It's no even in doubt. I don't know why you always act like faculty/research are as important as student body objective numbers.
I know lots of people at haas and ross and many wouldn't have even been waitlisted at stern based on their SATs.</p>
<p>Haas and Ross are extremely well-regarded in the i-banking community. Some of the most exclusive firms (Lazard and Blackstone) recruit at them, while the same cannot be said of NYU-Stern. </p>
<p>Regardless, Stern is still excellent for i-banking and mean SATs don't really have a bearing on how good a b-school is (there's a minor correlation, of course).</p>
<p>Actually, the mean SAT score for Wharton students is 1460. the mean SAT score of MIT students is 1480. Like I said, if you are to measure quality of programs by mean SAT scores, Sloan is #1. But that is ridiculous because SAT scores mean almost nothing. </p>
<p>And you are wrong. The mean SAT score at Michigan and Cal are identical to those at NYU. The stats do not lie. The SAT ranges I posted above are 100% correct. NYU has slightly lower mean SAT scores than Cal and Michigan. </p>
<p>And you know people at Ross who had 1200 on the SATs? Interesting. That may be the exceptional cases, but on average, only the top 10% of Michigan students get into Ross. You completely ignore the facts. the mid 50% SAT score of Michigan students is 1240-1400. 25% of Michigan students have SAT scores over 1400. To get into Ross, a student must get into Michigan, with an average score of 1340 and once at Michigan, must maintain a 3.6 GPA at Michigan for two years, taking some of the more challenging classes, like Calculus I and II, Statistics, Econ I and II etc... Only the top 10% of Michigan students havre GPAs in the 3.6+ range. That means that on average, only the top 10% of Michigan students get into Ross. Now if the top 25% of Michigan students have SAT scores over 1400, it is safe to say that the top 10% of Michigan students have SAT scores well over 1450. In fact, the 90th %ile at Michigan is 1480. And that's the lower end of the top 10%. the higher end is more like 1600. I would say that the mid 50% SAT score for Ross students is probably 1440-1520. </p>
<p>Although the SAT scores of Ross and Haas students is not measured because students who are accepted into those programs have usually been in college for two years, it is safe to say that the mean SAT score for students at those two programs is somewhere between 1450 and 1500 since the top 10% of the students at Cal have a mean SAT of about 1490 and at Michigan, the top 10% have mean SAT scores of about 1480.</p>
<p>Finally, Haas and Ross are tops in Accounting, Finance, Management, Marketing and Production/Operations. All the recruiter's rankings say as much. Stern is ranked highly in Accounting and Finance, but not in the other fields. If you can find me a rating by recruiters that palces NYU in the top 10 in Management, Marketing or production/Operations, please share them with me.</p>
<p>Actually, the mean SAT score for Wharton students is 1460. the mean SAT score of MIT students is 1480. Like I said, if you are to measure quality of programs by mean SAT scores, Sloan is #1. But that is ridiculous because SAT scores mean almost nothing</p>
<p>why do you keep comparing MIT as a whole to Wharton instead of Sloan?
SAT means nothing? Then what means anything? Gpa means less, because everyone knows most high schools are a joke. You seem like the typical public school person who derides standardized test scores but thinks gpa in easy schools/majors actually means anything.
I would be willing to bet a lot than the typical Ross student cannot get into Stern.</p>
<p>sternman, statements like "I would be willing to bet a lot than the typical Ross student cannot get into Stern" have no value.</p>