<p>According to the Nobel Prize website, Stanford has had 18 Nobel Laureates. Princeton has had 10.</p>
<p>When evaluating this data,however, you must keep in mine that Stanford is simply larger than Princeton. It has 15,000 students while Princeton has only 7,000. Adjusted for their size, Princeton has had more Nobel Laureates per student than Stanford. </p>
<p>I'm not quite sure where to find the National Academy of Science though.</p>
<p>"Students from research universities could easily choose to do research at non-research universities for the summer"</p>
<p>Students from top undergraduate-focused schools can and do conduct cutting-edge researches at research universities for the summer as well. Many of my friends at Princeton and my sister's friends at Dartmouth are doing cutting-edge engineering, biomedical, and nano tech researches with professors at MIT, Harvard, Stanford, and Johns Hopkins during this summer.
This is a moot point. Undergrad-focused schools and research universities have their unique sets of advantages. It's up to each person to decide which is more appropriate. The question on whether Princeton or Stanford is better has no definite answer.</p>
<p>^Really?? Thats cool!! </p>
<p>We can't say whether Princeton is greater or Stanford is. As I see it Princeton is more a 'pure' research place whereas Stanford is an 'applied' research place. </p>
<p>I would prefer doing whatever I do with a professor, for obvious reasons ....
And faculty cannot be measured by 'well-known'. There are many, many great profs in many, many great universities who are not 'teachers'. Not everybody is a Feynman! </p>
<p>If somebody has seen the labs of Dartmouth, can anybody comment?? However, if D students do have the opportunity of working in an MIT lab, there's no need to worry. Or is so??</p>
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Students from top undergraduate-focused schools can and do conduct cutting-edge researches at research universities for the summer as well. Many of my friends at Princeton and my sister's friends at Dartmouth are doing cutting-edge engineering, biomedical, and nano tech researches with professors at MIT, Harvard, Stanford, and Johns Hopkins during this summer.
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This is my point, though -- students at MIT, Harvard, or Stanford could choose to do research at Princeton or Dartmouth, but they don't. Students at Princeton and Dartmouth, however, choose to do summer research at Harvard, MIT, and Stanford. These students seem to think that doing cutting-edge research trumps full-time direct contact with professors.</p>
<p>Obviously, there's a tradeoff, and each applicant needs to think about which situation most closely fits his or her needs. My only point in replying to this thread was to point out that schools with strong graduate programs are not unilaterally a worse choice than schools with a "strong undergraduate focus," particularly for aspiring researchers.</p>
<p>^Agreed. If it hadn't been for certain grad students, I would have never been able to participate in a research project on a subject area I was passionate about.</p>
<p>Not only are a lot of students at places like Harvard doing summer research at Harvard, they are doing this research during the school year.</p>
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I'm not quite sure where to find the National Academy of Science though.
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<p>National</a> Academy of Sciences:</p>
<p>Current directory lists:
Stanford: 126
MIT: 102
Caltech: 73
Princeton: 71
Dartmouth: 2</p>
<p>The names on these schools ... where they undergrads or grads and post-docs form those universities .... if latter then its no surprise ....</p>
<p>^ No, it's current faculty members by institution.</p>
<p>Once again, I must stress that Stanford is twice Princeton's size. It should be no surprise that it has more members.</p>
<p>But can undergrads really make the most of these great profs???</p>
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Once again, I must stress that Stanford is twice Princeton's size. It should be no surprise that it has more members.
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It's OK bud...Princeton is in the Ivy League... ;)</p>
<p>Take heed, Cal has more NAS members than 'furd.</p>
<p>What is your intended major, adrivit?</p>
<p>Apply to all these schools...visit each campus...look at the financial aid award packages. These criteria will be much more important than access to professors.</p>
<p>An ambitious undergrad should have no problems getting access to research at any of these schools.</p>
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Once again, I must stress that Stanford is twice Princeton's size. It should be no surprise that it has more members.
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<p>And Caltech's even smaller than Princeton. ;)</p>
<p>Numbers for the National Academy of Engineers (<a href="http://www.nae.edu/nae/naepub.nsf/Members+By+Parent+InstitutionA?OpenView):%5B/url%5D">http://www.nae.edu/nae/naepub.nsf/Members+By+Parent+InstitutionA?OpenView):</a>
MIT: 110
Stanford: 86
Caltech: 30
Princeton: 21
Dartmouth: 4</p>
<p>No ... I am considering whether or not to apply Dartmouth ED. That's my problem. Since I am in my gap year, I was thinking whether it would be a wise decision to wait for RD decisions because if I am denied at all colleges I would be in deep, deep problems. No, Dartmouth isn't no.1 on my list, it comes second to MIT but Dartmouth allows me to apply ED and I have a greater chance of getting in ED(which is small anyway ...). SO I was wondering whether go with Dartmouth and get some really great education or wait for MIT and get nothing at all ..... </p>
<p>Please advise!!</p>
<p>Yes, but take note that Stanford has 1807 faculty members while Princeton has 1103 so...18/1807 (1%) is better than 10/1103(.9%) and 126/1807(6.97%) is better than 71/1103 (6.43%) when dealing with Nobel Prize and National Academy of Science winners. With National Academy of Engineering, Princeton doesn't come close to Stanford. Again, though, I agree with you that this is debating small details and both schools have an excellent, world class faculty. Adrivit, since you are in your gap year, which adds a new dimension to this I'd say you should apply ED to Dartmouth considering that's your second choice school, unless you've done something remarkable over this year.</p>
<p>The choice is yours of course, but I only recommend applying ED to your first choice school. If Dartmouth isn't your first choice, I would not apply there ED. If you do, and should you get into MIT and Dartmouth, you would regret it. </p>
<p>Besides, I don't think applying ED really enhances your chances. Yes, a slightly higher percentage of ED applicants get in, but the quality of their application is probably better because ED applicants tend to be more passionate about the school and probably know a lot more about the school and that extra interest usually surfaces on the application.</p>
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Yes, but take note that Stanford has 1807 faculty members while Princeton has 1103 so...18/1807 (1%) is better than 10/1103(.9%) and 126/1807(6.97%) is better than 71/1103 (6.43%) when dealing with Nobel Prize and National Academy of Science winners. With National Academy of Engineering, Princeton doesn't come close to Stanford. Again, though, I agree with you that this is debating small details and both schools have an excellent, world class faculty. Adrivit, since you are in your gap year, which adds a new dimension to this I'd say you should apply ED to Dartmouth considering that's your second choice school, unless you've done something remarkable over this year.
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<p>^^^
you should submit that to Wikipedia under examples of extreme hair splitting.</p>
<p>I know its my decision and thats bad!! >( </p>
<p>Anyways I wouldn't know if I got into MIT if I got Dartmouth ED, would I?? So that would be a relief! Even if I have done something wonderful this year, chances into MIT are still horridly low. And, as I said isn't something better than nothing??</p>
<p>Please!! More comments on this!!</p>
<p>You're quite the instigator.</p>
<p>May I ask why you're taking a gap year? And I think if you really want to go to MIT, you should apply to both RD. Application rates for ED are higher, but there are plenty of explanations for this.</p>