Does anyone know of a database that provides admissions band stats that are categorized by:
Recruited athletes?
URM?
Legacy?
Ethnicity?
Trying to explain to a friend that is angry that his child was denied at schools where they scored above the mid points on the CDS.
He has younger kids and trying to explain that over the 50% threshold is not good enough if you are not recruited athlete, URM or development donation level legacy.
Any point in the right direction would be appreciated.
The content of one’s applications (essays & teacher recs) also matter.
The only ‘guarantee’ is for recruited athletes that sign a LOI and those Developmental cases where Admissions is told what to do. Even those URMs with perfect scores and stats don’t always get in.
Yes, but certainly there are disparities based upon category. Or, would you say that the elite schools do not have significantly different standards for recruits and URMs? And, this in turn skews the overall averages.
Please correct me if wrong.
@Dolemite #2 can you show me a single case where a URM Kid with 3.9 GPA and 1500 SAT was shut out of completely from the top 20 ivy+ colleges. I know it is not a race thread, but could you please show me as it is way below the perfect SAT and scores as claimed by you. Thanks
I never said ‘shut out of completely’. URM and perfect (ACT/SAT)/GPA isn’t a guarantee at any school. That’s why you should always have a list compromised of safeties, matches and reaches unless you are a recruited athlete/Development case.
Colleges do not release these statistics. But your friend should be aware that selective colleges have far more qualified candidates than they can accept. So they can pick and choose. A test score and GPA in the top 50% likely means their app will get a close look. But that is all it means. Quality of LORs, essays, and ECs are a factor. If they interviewed and it was evaluative, that matters. If the school is not need blind and the kid needs aid, that matters. If the kid is OOS for a top public, or provides geographic diversity to a private, that matters. And the quality of those same things from the rest of the applicant pool matter.
If your friend wants purely stats based admissions, they should look to Canadian universities.
Being above the median is not adequate at any top 50 school. Maybe not even at any top 75 school.
@jetsdad So are you asking for transparency? Good luck!
Or anywhere else but the US (and a couple of Canadian provinces).
@Dolemite that is why I thought so, as I see that board is filled with ORM and white kids who have those stats and in their case these kids, who are not poor and not qualify for quest-bridge etc, must have safety and matches options. They are dime a dozen.
I understand that too many ORM kids keep competing among them selves as colleges have quotas.
And if a student’s stats put him in the top 10% of admitted students and he doesn’t “show interest” he may be denied or waitlisted because the college feels he is using them as a safety, with little or no intention of enrolling.
We are hearing horror stories that despite showing interest these 10% of the admitted students are getting denied. Not showing interest is a urban legend.
Rules of the game are different for different subset, one must plan very carefully.
@infinityprep1234 Or maybe they bang out mediocre essays because they feel that their stats alone will get them in.
How a person who wins multiple essay competitions, can be such a bad writer when same kid gets published in newspaper. Another urban legend.
I think the lower middle class or midlle midlle class (with donuts income ) kids who are either URM or white have very tough competitions.
To some extent they choose to compete with themselves. Plenty of excellent LACs are looking for applicants that are over represented applicant groups at Ivies and the small handful of top research universities. And an applicant can make themselves stand out with unusual EC accomplishment, but many tread the same ground there as thousands of other applicants.
@intparent Could you suggest some good LACs in computer science? Daughter is working already in this summer for one of MSFT/Amazon/Google company as a paid intern.
@infinityprep1234, are you the angry friend?
@suzy100 what do you mean by angry friend. We have moved from Korea manay many years ago. aIt is our first kid going to College, so this is all new. I am here to best understand the process and help my kid like rest of you.
@infinityprep1234 Or maybe that student came across as entitled.
@TomSrOfBoston How a poor kid can be entitled?