Big News From Harry and Meghan - Royal Family Stepping Back

I do think they are rightfully unwelcome in the UK-seriously, you marry into the Royal Family and you didn’t bother to learn the national anthem? That is just so disrespectful. I was surprised she admitted that; perhaps she did not realize how self-absorbed that sounds.

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You must have missed the part that her driver’s license and keys were taken away and she couldn’t just call Uber to the Palace to pick her up. Besides, her seeing a psychiatrist would give the British tabloids a field day.

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Yet somehow she got away for her over the top baby shower in New York.

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I did not watch the interview. I could care less about the Royal traditions and bickering. What I do care about is any comments about a baby’s skin color (what? The more pasty white you are, the finer your heritage?!) and any disregard for human mental health need. Both of those things point me in the direction that someone(s) are terrible, terrible humans.

Does anyone know where the interview can still be watched? I suppose it might be on YouTube somewhere…

Where did you read the reviews? In the British tabloids?

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I think it accomplished much for her. She doesn’t really care a bit about his family really. And all the garbage that was thrown at her, this is her revenge. Yeah, I think she embellished, but I also believe her in how poorly she was treated for the most part.

The Kate bringing her to tears? Give me a break. It could have been something that she took the wrong way and she was acting over dramatic. Who knows. SIL’s squabble. What I want to know if how that interaction got made into a storyline. It must have happened in front of others.

I agree with another Poster above that interview questions and answers were hard to follow many times. I couldn’t follow what they were trying to say or allude to. You could see their brains ticking away about what or what not to say.

Now I think it must have been William and/or Kate that said something about the skin color. If they aren’t speaking, it has to be more than Will just taking on so much more responsibility.

Or Oprah

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Mostly on College Confidential :grin:

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Meghan said she was suicidal and asked for help but got none . Harry later came out and Oprah asked him if he himself went to the palace officials or family for help.

“No, that’s just not a conversation that would be had.”
Oprah asked “Why”?
“I guess I was ashamed of admitting it to them. I don’t know whether they’ve had the same thoughts. I have no idea. It’s a very trapping environment that a lot of them are stuck in.”

Oprah then asked, “You were ashamed of admitting that Meghan needed help”?

“Yeah. I didn’t have anyone to turn to.”

How can your family help if they don’t know or understand that you or your spouse needs help? The whole thing is sad and I hope this interview does not result in any permanent rifts .

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Please, she is an adult and an American citizen. She knows how to get a passport if she needs it, and she could have told the staff to return it or her next call would be to the US embassy to get a replacement passport, which they would have happily provided. Besides, one doesn’t need a passport to invite a therapist to help her at the palace; Diana apparently did.
She certainly suffered tremendously at the hands of the tabloids (though Kate did as well prior to her actual marriage) but she gave up rather quickly. She portrays herself as an ignorant and helpless victim-I found that more credible for an undereducated British teen (Diana) than a mature and sophisticated divorced woman.

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But for those of us who really didn’t have an opinion either way, who don’t like or dislike either of them, the interview (or at least the headlines, as I didn’t watch the actual interview and am just relying on the synopses I’ve seen on Twitter) provided a tidy one sentence answer to the question of why they walked away. So in that sense, it was probably a success.

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Weren’t her suicidal thoughts during her pregnancy? Wasn’t she seeing a doctor who she could have asked for help? Now at almost EVERY doctor appointment I go to, even the eye doctor, they ask if I feel safe in my home (not even knowing my home situation), if I’m sad, if I have food security. This is part of the process.

I’m sorry she didn’t feel she could ask for help from her doctors, that she felt like a prisoner in the palace, but I think she did have options other than the nuclear option of running back to America with only $10 million dollars. Maybe she couldn’t go out to lunch with her friends, but I bet she could have invited them to her house, or talked to them on the phone.

And really, does anyone care that much about what flower girls are wearing in the wedding? It’s not like Meghan was down at David’s Bridal picking out the dresses herself and Kate said “No way is my actual Princess (and by the way, your kids will NOT be Royal) wearing THAT”

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@TatinG regarding them driving without security in SB. They have security when they drive just not inside their car. I’ve heard from multiple people that they have a detail of security cars surrounding their car.

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Oprah was at their wedding and is a current neighbor. How many hardball questions was she really going to ask? I would have liked to see more questions, introspection, on what role they might also be playing in this family drama. It seems to be an us vs. them situation and that rarely ends well.

They did seem to know not to throw the 94 year old Queen under the bus!

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The “tears” comment wasn’t about Kate bringing her to tears, it was about the relationship between the tabloids and the Royal Family/their courtiers. (Before the interview, Harry has repeatedly said he had to get away because of that).
The “tears” story is in itself indeed minor. The fact someone around them called tabloids to highlight it making Meghan the bad guy is a big deal, because the tabloids used it for WEEKS AND MONTHS as a proof Meghan is some kind of crass American who doesn’t belong in the royal family, it manufactured an entire line of stories (topic: Meghan v.Kate), etc., AND the Palace had the power, the whole time, to hold them off or shut them down, and all that time, didn’t.
So, it’s not significant in itself, but rather significant in that Meghan&Harry were surrounded by people willing to sell them out and that the Palace didn’t care enough to do anything about the months of lies and rumors.
Again, perhaps Meghan could have figured it out before she married Harry, but for all we know Harry may have said it wouldn’t happen under his watch (because in the past few years those had died down/been made to disappear quite effectively, after suffering from it for years), or, it’s quite possibly one of those “impossible to know what it’s like till you’ve lived it” situations.

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You all think she was lying about being suicidal? Or exaggerating? Is that what this means?

Because people did say that about Diana after her book came out. And her interview was widely disparaged. I see a lot of parallels but what Diana lacked was a supportive husband.

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I’m a royal watcher but I don’t enjoy listening to this couple. There are various ways the skin tone conversation could have come about that could be racist or not. Even among Black couples of lighter and darker skin tones they might discuss who their child might favor. But I can imagine how it could be discussed in a negative way.

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The issue with the “prince” title seemed to imply that once Charles becomes king that Archie would not be a prince. The title of prince or princess is for the children or grandchildren of the monarch and for the “next in line” (i.e. Prince George). The queen could bestow the title on others. For example, Eugenie and Beatrix are princesses, even though their dad is not in direct line to the crown. It would certainly would have been a nice gesture for the queen to bestow that title on Archie, since his grandfather will (may) be king one day. The other cousins are not in a direct line to the throne.

I was skeptical that Meghan had never googled or looked up anything about the Royals. That seems impossible. However, I believed her when she said she thought seeing the Queen as Harry’s grandmother would be different than seeing the Queen officially. Her biggest complaint was that she was not protected from the press by the Royals. One of them commented that they are all afraid of the tabloids which makes a lot of sense.

IMHO, they were genuine about their experience and, for Harry, the pain of comparing this to what his mom went through. I did not think it was acting. Could a different woman have been able to withstand this better, perhaps.

I thought Oprah was very good. She backed off on the question about Archie because it was clear that neither Harry or Meghan was going to give more info on that.

A lot of the comments I have read seem supportive of H&M.

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I don’t get the security thing. I do think stripping Harry of his medals and decorations, which he earned at Sandhurst or as a soldier, is petty. He earned them, they’re not family jewelry. (Not part of the intw as far as I recall, but that’s one thing I didn’t like in the process. I think it was normal they had to drop everything related to the royal family. It’s not like they were thrown out on the street, barefoot and destitute. Although quite possibly that’s how it felt to Harry, to a certain extent, or perhaps that’s what he really wanted.)
Presumably, a member of the royal family wouldn’t be asked if they’re safe in their own home, etc., it’d be sacrilegeous to imply anything untoward may be going on. BTW they don’t use the NHS, only special, private practitioners. That makes sense to me in terms of confidentiality and security but also means a special protocol.
I doubt Meghan was bodily barred from seeing a therapist, but attitudes in the UK and in the US are VERY different wrt mental health and even more so Hollywood v. Buckingham Palace.
In addition, the “burden” of being part of the British nobility implies you’re not supposed to “feel bad” or think about your own feelings, most of all inside the royal family.
Again, likely intercultural problems compounded by the specific behavior expected of a royal. You think of the tangible, visible things, rarely of the intangible that can screw everything up.
BTW I’l not saying psychiatrists or therapists would be forbidden, but it’d definitely be seen as reflecting badly on the person needing one and it’d be discouraged as not befitting your rank. To me it’s more suprising that Meghan expected it’d be okay to have a therapist as a member of the royal family, like she probably did in Hollywood (or wherever Suits was shot?) Having a rank and a title is different from being “Hollywood royalty”, for all Americans can use the term. Since they’re so far down the line of succession they may not have expected some aspects of this. You think you know and you realize how cruelly you didn’t - another “you don’t know you don’t know” things that are common with intercultural couples though.
Wasn’t Harry only allowed to see one after he proved himself to be a worthless screwup though a decent soldier? I would have asked why Harry didn’t ask his therapist to see Meghan though, unless he had to be pre-approved or something.

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Suits was shot in Toronto, Canada. Meghan lived in Toronto for 7 years. There were royal tours that came through during that time. I find it hard to believe that she knew as little about the British royalty or its relationship with the press as she claims. You can’t check out of a grocery store without seeing Harry, William, Kate or the Queen on multiple magazines at the checkout counter. The whole “I didn’t know what I was getting into” message to me means either she is lying or she is dumb as a rock.

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