BINGE - What your college student won't tell you

<p>I have just finished reading this recently published book by Barrett Seaman. The former editor of Time Magazine spent two years looking at what really goes on in America's top colleges and universities covering everything from sex, alcohol and drugs, emotional issues, residential life, etc. Seaman conducted his study by actually living in student housing on a dozen top tier campuses including: Harvard, Dartmouth, Indiana U, Middlebury, Hamilton, and Berkley and Duke.</p>

<p>With both a senior (D) and a freshman (S) in college, this was somewhat an eye-opener for me, but also confirmed what I thought I knew. A good read if you want insights to what is happening on the American campus of today – very different form the 60’s and 70’s.</p>

<p>All I read was a synopsis and it scared the hell out of me!</p>

<p>See recent conversation about drinking:</p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=100965%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=100965&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Have any of you parents checked out MySpace.com (primarily high school aged teens)? I think it gives tremendous insight to what is going on in teens' lives today... I find it FASCINATING (and quite disturbing at times, as well).</p>

<p>Many of us survived college in the 70's and 80's. I know that we were exposed to all of the above!</p>

<p>Thanks for that tip- I'm definitely going to read it.
My nephew recently graduated from Harvard, and my husband and I visited him a number of times throughout his 4 years, since we are fairly close geographically. (My sister was really happy he had surrogate parents nearby, although he didn't really "need" us!) He is a very mature person and natural leader, and was very frank with us about the social scene there. I suspect this book will echo alot of what we heard. I'm not implying that this is in any way surprising because it was an Ivy, but it's always good to be an informed parent.</p>

<p>1sokkermom:
Actually things are different today, because of the prevalence of binge drinking vs. regular drinking. Also, just because we survived in the 70s doesn't mean everybody did. I suspect there was a body count back then too. I've posted this before, but you might find it interesting here too:</p>

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From TIME Magazine, August 29, 2005</p>

<p>How Bingeing Became the New College Sport
And why it would stop if we lowered the drinking age
By BARRETT SEAMAN</p>

<p>In the coming weeks, millions of students will begin their fall semester of college, with all the attendant rituals of campus life: freshman orientation, registering for classes, rushing by fraternities and sororities and, in a more recent nocturnal college tradition, "pregaming" in their rooms.</p>

<p>Pregaming is probably unfamiliar to people who went to college before the 1990s. But it is now a common practice among 18-, 19- and 20-year-old students who cannot legally buy or consume alcohol. It usually involves sitting in a dorm room or an off-campus apartment and drinking as much hard liquor as possible before heading out for the evening's parties. While reporting for my book Binge, I witnessed the hospitalization of several students for acute alcohol poisoning. Among them was a Hamilton College freshman who had consumed 22 shots of vodka while sitting in a dorm room with her friends. Such hospitalizations are routine on campuses across the nation. By the Thanksgiving break of the year I visited Harvard, the university's health center had admitted nearly 70 students for alcohol poisoning.</p>

<p>When students are hospitalized--or worse yet, die from alcohol poisoning, which happens about 300 times each year--college presidents tend to react by declaring their campuses dry or shutting down fraternity houses. But tighter enforcement of the minimum drinking age of 21 is not the solution. It's part of the problem.</p>

<p>Over the past 40 years, the U.S. has taken a confusing approach to the age-appropriateness of various rights, privileges and behaviors. It used to be that 21 was the age that legally defined adulthood. On the heels of the student revolution of the late '60s, however, came sweeping changes: the voting age was reduced to 18; privacy laws were enacted that protected college students' academic, health and disciplinary records from outsiders, including parents; and the drinking age, which had varied from state to state, was lowered to 18.</p>

<p>Then, thanks in large measure to intense lobbying by Mothers Against Drunk Driving, Congress in 1984 effectively blackmailed states into hiking the minimum drinking age to 21 by passing a law that tied compliance to the distribution of federal-aid highway funds--an amount that will average $690 million per state this year. There is no doubt that the law, which achieved full 50-state compliance in 1988, saved lives, but it had the unintended consequence of creating a covert culture around alcohol as the young adult's forbidden fruit.</p>

<p>Drinking has been an aspect of college life since the first Western universities in the 14th century. My friends and I drank in college in the 1960s--sometimes a lot but not so much that we had to be hospitalized. Veteran college administrators cite a sea change in campus culture that began, not without coincidence, in the 1990s. It was marked by a shift from beer to hard liquor, consumed not in large social settings, since that is now illegal, but furtively and dangerously in students' residences.</p>

<p>In my reporting at colleges around the country, I did not meet any presidents or deans who felt that the 21-year age minimum helps their efforts to curb the abuse of alcohol on their campuses. Quite the opposite. They thought the law impeded their efforts since it takes away the ability to monitor and supervise drinking activity.</p>

<p>What would happen if the drinking age was rolled back to 18 or 19? Initially, there would be a surge in binge drinking as young adults savored their newfound freedom. But over time, I predict, U.S. college students would settle into the saner approach to alcohol I saw on the one campus I visited where the legal drinking age is 18: Montreal's McGill University, which enrolls about 2,000 American undergraduates a year. Many, when they first arrive, go overboard, exploiting their ability to drink legally. But by midterms, when McGill's demanding academic standards must be met, the vast majority have put drinking into its practical place among their priorities.</p>

<p>A culture like that is achievable at U.S. colleges if Congress can muster the fortitude to reverse a bad policy. If lawmakers want to reduce drunk driving, they should do what the Norwegians do: throw the book at offenders no matter what their age. Meanwhile, we should let the pregamers come out of their dorm rooms so that they can learn to handle alcohol like the adults we hope and expect them to be.</p>

<p>Barrett Seaman, a former TIME editor and correspondent, is the author of Binge: What Your College Student Won't Tell You

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<p>Weenie:
I actually attended college and was a member of a dreaded sorority in the late 70's. I was a 17 year old freshman (and the drinking age was 18 in our state and changed to 21 while I was in college). Believe me, there was a lot of binge drinking at that time! Many kids drank to get drunk .... routinely. The weekend started on Wednesday night, and went through Sunday night if one was so inclined. People drank strange purple liquids out of fraternity bathtubs, and went to happy hour to get drunk when beers were 25 cents each, and you could get drunk for a couple of bucks. Often times kids threw up the strange purple liquid and 25 cent beers. Drugs were readily available, drugs I had never heard of. Everyone was engaging in routine sexual encounters. Is it really that different now, or is the media more involved trying to generate public awareness ? I think the incidents of kids who were admitted to the health centers on campuses for drugs and alcohol "back then" were not as highly publicized as they are today.</p>

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Have any of you parents checked out MySpace.com (primarily high school aged teens)? I think it gives tremendous insight to what is going on in teens' lives today... I find it FASCINATING (and quite disturbing at times, as well).

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Check out xanga as well (usually each high school will have a "blogring")...one acquaintance of my 16-year-old daughter had a HUGE entry with tons of pictures documenting a drunken evening. There were pictures of her in various states of undress (including an up-close posterior shot), pictures of an Everclear bottle, MANY pictures documenting how many times she and her friends puked (including such detailed shots as "the vomit in the vacuum" and "the floor covered in vomit" and "so-and-so passed out on the concrete basement floor"). To me, this is just devastatingly sad....</p>

<p>Also, we live in a small town where this gal's dad is a city councilman. And these pictures were publicly posted where anyone with internet access could see them. ~berurah</p>

<p>1sokkermom:
I too attended college in the late 70s. I think Seaman's idea to raise the drinking age actually has some merit, based on my experience. I attended a medium-sized state university. Yes, we drank - but it was expensive, and most kids I went to school with just did not have as much money as kids seem to have now. Also, we drank primarily in "open" venues - the campus pub, bars, campus hosted parties. Perhaps it was better that there was some supervision. I do recall the pub bartenders cutting kids off.</p>

<p>We had no real frats or sororities at the time at that school, so frat/sorority parties weren't in the picture. We drank mostly beer - very little hard booze (too expensive!). While there was pot, there really were no other drugs that I saw - which I assume means that they were very rare, not nonexistent. </p>

<p>The current statistic for binge drinking (not regular drinking) is 44% of college kids (based on the Harvard study). I honestly did not see that when I was in college. I understand though, that seen through any one person's eyes, this means nothing.</p>

<p>And, yes, I'm sure there were kids who had alcohol poisoning back then. With or without publicity though, it is still tragic.</p>

<p>I simply believe that a problem won't change unless people admit it's a problem. And I think too many kids and parents have their heads in the sand. They just broke up a house party in my town with over 200 high school kids at it. Alcohol and drugs were present. So many kids got suspended from one large public high school's sports teams that they are already forfeiting the all-holy football games. While the investigation is still ongoing, early reports indicated that the police were greeted by the "homeowners" (parents). It is, of course, not the first instance of parents thinking it is just fine to serve alcohol and tolerate drugs at their kids' parties. At my son's college orientation they even warned the parents MORE THAN ONCE to please not bring their kids alcohol. They have seen it happen too many times. I don't know, I'm just flabbergaasted by that. And, no, I am by no means a teetotaler.</p>

<p>The saddest thing is when one of these college kids dies in a drinking incident. You hear their resume (like the kid who died at Kenyon last year - National Honor Society, Model UN, environmental club, social justice activist...) and you think, how could that happen to such a nice kid? Well, they're all nice kids...</p>

<p>I'm not sure that lowering the drinking age to 18 is the answer. In England there is the same problem with binge drinking and the legal age for consumption is 18 now. I think the problem goes a lot deeper than just a mere change in the legal age. Sort of surprising that Seaman would arrive at such a simplistic conclusion after all his research.</p>

<p><em>sigh</em> If things were as bad as some of you want to belive, I'd be dead 7 times by now.</p>

<p>Do we have to do this every time someone writes an inflammatory book designed to show how awful the current generation is? Yeah, there are kids who drink. Yeah, there are kids who over indulge. Yeah, the criteria for these surveys are misleading and ask loaded questions. (how many drinks in one sitting could mean from 12-2 or from 8-2, with extremely different consequences). Not to mention that the majority of college students (and people in general) have no problem lieing on surveys</p>

<p>Anecdotal evidence is sad, and compelling, but it's not representative- and I have no faith in surveys of people between 10-25.</p>

<p>Sorry, I'd write more eloquently, but I'm hung over. Oh no wait, I actually just have to get to class. ;)</p>

<p>I taught middle school health for a while and the message to our students regarding drinking was 'delay, delay, delay'- but I too think there is something to be said for the 18 year old drinking age. When my son spent 2 nights last school year holding other kids' heads as naso-gastric tubes were passed, or their arms as IV's were put in....(kids with whom he was acquainted, not friends of his) he came home afterwards and talked with his parents about it. He didn't sit around his dorm or frat talking about what a great time everyone had had, he came home and shared his rather compelling observations and had a complete reality check on the whole situation.</p>

<p>We live in a country with no drinking age, and some parents are very lax about letting very young teens go to bars. We 'delayed' for as long as we felt compelled to, and then let him go- he drank, but never to excess- he came home to our house and hugged us every Friday night. </p>

<p>After his first frat party at school he told me it was a scene not unlike that at some of the unchaperoned parties kids have here in empty houses. Again, he had been in situations where kids had been really ill (diabetics dropping blood sugars, for example) and had talked about it with us in the aftermath. He has seen situations go bad and I think he knows how to avoid them. </p>

<p>I think kids who choose to can experience a completely alcohol free lifestyle while in college. I think in some ways this is easier than choosing the 'all things in moderation' course, in fact, in many places. There are no 'substance lite' dorms, for example. </p>

<p>Do I think it is 'different' now than it was then. Sure, life in general is more extreme, kids are accustomed to intense and vivid recreational and social experiences of all types. Kids have seen more, done more, etc then we had done at any given age- at least my kids have. Does this increase their vulnerability to wanting to get really wasted all the time? Not sure.</p>

<p>my daughter lived in a subfree dorm for three years- she is sensistive to smoke- and thought that would help- she also prefered to first meet students who had alternatives to proving how mature they were by getting blasted their first month of college.
She isn't really the type to routinely overindulge, which is probably why when people find out she is going to Reed, they comment" Oh, Reed" in intellectual awe and say that is where their parents/they wanted to go, instead of "OH, Reed" and ask about the suicide trees, the acid pinatas and the blue naked people</p>

<p>It really is just not that hard if colleges want to lower the rate of pregaming, and dozens of colleges have done it. Enforce penalties against those who supply hard alcohol to minors, and make residential advisors responsible for making it happen. Institute two strikes and your out policies for alcoholic behavior - bar such drinkers from the Dean's List, or call their parents. It's just not that difficult if that's what they want to do.</p>

<p>I don't see why changing a law that has saved tens of thousands of lives should be changed so a lot of middle class and wealthy kids can engage in their alcoholic fantasies more openly. Had Seaman visited those campuses where lower middle-class kids go, and where binge drinking is much lower, perhaps he'd have a different view.</p>

<p>mini:
What schools have successfully cut back on pre-gaming?</p>

<p>Also, what evidence do you have for your statement, "campuses where lower middle-class kids go, and where binge drinking is much lower"?</p>

<p>And just to clarify - I'm of VERY mixed feelings about lowering the drinking age. I put it out there as Seaman's interesting propoasal, not mine. The problem, as I see it, is that the higher drinking age has substantially lowered DWI accidents.</p>

<p>I think they should raise the driving age-to 18 but I also think they should lower the drinking age to 18- if that is when you are considered to be an adult- however- I think they need to enforce very strictly anyone who is caught getting liquor for minors-</p>

<p>I read both my daughters college livejournal and her sisters high school live journal- but I don't think that the kids who are doing the partying are posting much- the students in the high school are mostly talking about their jobs at Macys or Starbucks or what assignments are due.</p>

<p>"Also, what evidence do you have for your statement, "campuses where lower middle-class kids go, and where binge drinking is much lower"?"</p>

<p>That's a finding of the Wechsler studies, which have found a strong association between family income and college binge drinking (among other associations, which include rural, strong spectator sports, fraternities, coed, non-religious, and residential.)</p>

<p>Pre-gaming and binge drinking rates have dropped at Western Washington University, Central Washington University, and (although still high) at Gonzaga, in my state. Hobart & William Smith has been nationally recognized for reductions in rate of binge drinking. Other statistically successful programs have been undertaken at the University of Arizona and Northern Illinois University, with very large drops in pre-gaming and binge drinking.</p>

<p>That's just what we need - learning to drink and drive at the same time.</p>

<p>Mini- have these schools actually LOWERED pregaming, or just forced it underground? </p>

<p>Syracuse has a 3 strikes policy- with 2 automatic strikes if you have to go to the hospital, which from anecdotal evidence just seems to make students less likely to seek professional help for a friend who needs it for fear of their own hides.</p>

<p>Lowered. And rather significantly. (At UA, "risky" drinking behavior, measured in exactly the same way, dropped 29% in 5 years.) All of the good programs have "Good Samaritan" policies, which not only DON'T penalize you for calling for help, but can penalize you if you think a friend is in trouble, and you don't. (Pomona has instituted the same relatively recently.)</p>