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<p>True, but it is an indicator of a culture of athletic entitlement if such things can happen in a public university building without anyone complaining. “If I can do it in Agganis, I can do it anywhere.”</p>
<p>True, but we’re not complaining that the hockey players did what they did at the victory party somewhere else. We’re concerned that they assaulted women somewhere else.</p>
<p>Oh, give me a break. I clearly stated that there is no excuse for abusive behavior, not even if the object of it tolerates it.</p>
<p>I have read about the judge’s remarks regarding the cop and the bar, and I feel exactly the same way about it as you do. The judge had her head up her ass. An adult woman has a right to be in a public place without being assaulted.</p>
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<p>And to be fair to Ms. Mullins, we have no idea which situations she is referring to. I do her the favor of assuming that when she is referring to girls who let the situation get out of hand she is not talking about people who are minding their own business and are assaulted in their dorm rooms, like Trevino’s victim. I assume that she is talking about willing participants in drunken orgies. The article gave no context for her remark.</p>
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<p>I used to live with a guy that managed a sports complex and there would always be a manager (or someone left in charge) if the manager had to leave the building for some reason. A lot of things can go wrong in modern buildings and you don’t want to be negligent in managing a building with college students.</p>
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<p>I couldn’t imagine that happening - the building manager should be fired if that were the case.</p>
<p>I also went to BU in the late 70s (was a freshman when they won the NCAA championship in '78) and lived on West Campus. Loved going to the hockey games and taking the “T” to the Baaston Gahden for the Beanpot tournament. As a mom of 2 teenagers (1 boy and 1 girl), a hockey fan and a former BU student, this makes me very sad and mad.</p>
<p>I also went to BU in the 1980s. I lived on east campus and off campus and never went to a single game until way after I graduated, but it still makes me sad too. I hope the university deals with it. I personally think that despite his long tenure as coach, Parker should resign/retire. He should not have been so “unaware” of the stuff going on, but unaware or not, it would be the appropriate gesture.</p>
<p>I was actually at the game last year that was played before the hockey player attacked the girl. It was a Sat night game and on the news Sunday morning they were reporting the incident.</p>
<p>The girls that like to hook up with athletes are called “jersey chasers” around here. I have a friend who is 60 now and played pro baseball for a few years long ago. He wasn’t a star, but he said there were always women waiting outside the stadium door throwing themselves at the players. I guess ai don’t really get it. Certainly no excuse for assault.</p>
<p>Perhaps the real concern should be the fact that the average college hockey freshman is aapproximately 20 years old. The fact that a hockey player cannot get anywhere near even a D3 program withiout attending a post grad prep school and/or a juniors program has led to these problems. The hockey players never assimilate into the college atmosphere/lifestyle.</p>
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<p>Is that a Northeast thing? Because it doesn’t seem to be the case here in the Upper Midwest, or at most it’s a mixed bag. Just looking over the University of Minnesota roster, for example, there are a few 20-year old freshmen but there are also a lot of 18-year-old freshmen. And among the upperclassmen, many of the players who are now big stars came directly from HS. There are certainly some who did a year or even two of Junior hockey before coming to college, but my guess is a lot of them would be players whose physical development was not up to the level of D1 intercollegiate competition, or whose skill level was not up to par, possibly because of weaker coaching in HS. But the top players coming out of the top Minnesota HS hockey programs seem to step right onto the college stage.</p>
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very interesting … I wasn’t aware this was the case. Why is that?? What is junior hockey??</p>
<p>Juniors is the amateur minor league of hockey. Talented players end up far from home and play to get drafted by NHL clubs. Players can be as young as 15, if deemed “exceptional”, and cap out at 20. There are limits on the number of 16 and 20 year olds. </p>
<p>Runs from lower juniors up through major junior. The higher up you are, the more likely you’re living away and that hockey is your life.</p>
<p>Most fo the good Canadian players come out of the junior leagues. And many good hockey players at US schools come from Canada. They tend to be a bit older and a rough and tumble lot already used to jersey chasers and other benefits such as access to bars with few questions. So the party after hours at the rink is no biggee but any sex assaults are. Generally they have enough willing JCs more than happy to party with them.</p>
<p>[RIFLES</a> AT DAWN: Going Out With A Bang](<a href=“http://timmorrissey.blogspot.com/2009/02/going-out-with-bang.html]RIFLES”>RIFLES AT DAWN: Going Out With A Bang)</p>
<p>Is junior hockey like minor league baseball? Are these 15-20 y/o paid a salary? For the kids who haven’t finished HS is some type of schooling offered? Is there organizational over site - similar to NCAA or NAIA? Who pays to cover the costs associated w/ the league teams? Is the typical progression - junior league to top college programs to NHL?</p>
<p>^ Junior hockey isn’t exactly like minor league baseball, which is played by professionals. Junior hockey is played by amateurs aged 16 to 20, in organized leagues. Because the athletes are not paid, team expenses tend to be fairly low, but I’d imagine teams piece together their budgets out of gate receipts, advertising (in programs and such), concessions, and perhaps local business sponsorship. </p>
<p>In Canada, the highest tier is “major junior” hockey, consisting of teams in the Ontario Hockey League, the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League, and the Western Hockey League, all under the supervision of the Canadian Hockey League. The second tier is called Junior A. In the U.S. the highest level is Tier I, consisting of teams in the U.S. Hockey League, with teams mostly in smaller Midwestern cities. Tier II is the North American Hockey League, with teams from coast to coast. The NAHL also has a Tier III, and there are several other Tier III leagues as well.</p>
<p>Junior hockey first developed in Canada and operated more or less as a developmental league for the NHL, but independent of it. College hockey was traditionally not a big thing in Canada; top players played junior hockey, then went pro. College hockey has been a much bigger deal in the U.S. (well, in parts of the U.S., especially in the Northeast and Upper Midwest). Top college hockey programs have long recruited in Canada, and usually that means recruiting out of junior hockey, because that’s where the best players are, and organized league competition makes it much easier to scout potential recruits as they’re playing against quality competition. But the very best Canadians still tend to go directly from the juniors to professional hockey. Some NHL teams will now encourage some of their draftees to play college hockey for at least a couple of years, however, especially if the player needs physical development or skills development before he’s ready to play professionally. NHL teams also have minor league affiliates, most prominently in the American Hockey League, and many players will spend a year or more in the minors as paid professionals before being called up to the NHL club (if they’re ever called up at all).</p>
<p>So there’s no standard path here. If you’re the next Sidney Crosby, you might go from junior hockey to the NHL (though even Crosby played minor league hockey for one season before moving up to the NHL). Or you might go from junior hockey to a minor league affiliate of an NHL team. If you’re undrafted out of juniors, you might try to play college hockey and hope you make your mark at that level. Or you might be drafted out of juniors and encouraged by the NHL team that owns your rights to play college hockey until they have a place for you in their professional system. From college, you might to straight to the NHL, or more likely end up on a minor league roster–if you are good enough and have the desire to make a career of it.</p>
<p>Only about 20% of NHL players are Americans. Among the states, Minnesota is the biggest producer of NHLers, followed closely by Michigan and New York State; smaller numbers come out of Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Illinois, and Wisconsin, with just a smattering from other states. Here in Minnesota, junior hockey is not a big thing; there are a few Tier III junior teams, but a lot of kids come out of the state’s well-developed and highly competitive high school hockey system and go straight to college hockey. The best of those will already have been drafted by an NHL team, but they won’t have signed contracts because that would terminate their NCAA eligibility. A few HS grads will go out of state or to Canada for a year or two in the juniors before college, but juniors end at age 20; at that point it’s either college or, you’re good enough, pro. I imagine in states with less well-developed HS hockey programs than Minnesota’s, it’s more common to go into juniors at 16 and play through age 20, then go join a college program.</p>
<p>^^^^bclintonk another amazing post. THANKS! </p>
<p>What type of schooling is available for the young boys in junior league? How tight is the adult supervision?</p>
<p>^ They’re usually placed with a host family and attend local schools in the place they’re playing. A big criticism of junior hockey is that without supervision by their own parents, many don’t take school seriously and quite a few never finish HS. Sometimes the parents don’t care because they think their kid is the next Sidney Crosby. Which usually turns out not to be the case, obviously.</p>
<p>My son played as long as he could in California. Now at 16, he is in boarding school in Canada. Other boys at his level are playing AAA and living with other families or going to school online. I wanted him to get an education! He hopes to play D1 college but I’d hate for him to be part of a culture like the one described here. When Penn state happened I talked to him about how if he ever saw anything that seemed wrong he had a responsibility to speak up and I hope he would, but I do think the adults set the tone, even for older players. Anyway he thinks he will likely play juniors for a year after high school and then hopefully play while getting a good education so he can have an interesting and productive life beyond hockey!</p>
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When I was in college at a school in the same hockey league as Minnesota the coach actually prefeted to recruite junior players as they HAD been away from home and in general they were BETTER students than those who came out of HS. The coach also had a rule that all 1st year student athletes HAD to live on campus unless they lived with a parent. This was a VERY good way for them to meet more non athletes and such. I also believe all other sport coaches had the same rules. We also
graduated a high percentage od athletes so not all schools have problems like BU had</p>
<p>Speaking of hockey the most depressing story I’ve ever read on the subject: <a href=“Derek Boogaard: A Boy Learns to Brawl - The New York Times”>Derek Boogaard: A Boy Learns to Brawl - The New York Times;