Bowdoin vs Reed

If you visited and liked it, I see no reason not to apply. You’re a much better judge of whether Bowdoin is a good fit for you than we are. Quite frankly, a lot of the college stereotypes floating around the internet are rubbish.

If you have lingering hesitations about Bowdoin, it’s best to apply in the regular round rather than early. Applying ED helps at Bowdoin (as at most colleges), but you’re still a very competitive applicant for RD.

Have you considered adding colleges that may offer you substantial merit aid? If you’re upper middle class, Bowdoin may be expensive even with financial aid. Like @intparent above, I highly recommend running the EFC calculator if you haven’t yet.

https://www.bowdoin.edu/studentaid/estimate-aid.shtml

My D is completely uninterested in sports at Bates and, in her opinion, people aren’t cliquey. But if you weren’t feeling it, you weren’t feeling it. It seems to me that it’s Maine’s music scene that’s of interest to you, and you want the vibe you are hearing about at Reed. It wouldn’t be surprising if you were easily able to find an equally great music scene in Portland, Or.

I am sensing misgivings about Bowdoin. All that stuff you have been reading probably comes mostly from students, who know their school’s vibe. I am sure you will find friends at almost any college, but I very much get the idea that you have a romanticized notions of being able to carry on with your music scene in the same way if you end up at Bowdoin. You may be able to for all I know. In all seriousness, I strongly urge you not to ED to either school.

Considering you want to be active in a music scene, you may want to give Macalester more consideration. It seems like having access to that is important to you. Macalester has a great location and definitely isn’t known for a sporty vibe, or an overly-intellectual vibe.

@citivas has a kid at Bowdoin, as I recall, so maybe can weigh in as per your request in post 7?

One more vote for Reed, partly because I think it suits you better, but also partly because it’s in the city of Portland, so you have access to culture and community beyond the campus. Bowdoin is in a town of ~20,000 people, so that won’t be the case there, at least not to anywhere near the same degree. Best of luck–you seem like a very strong applicant to both schools, @mrpierogi197 !

Thanks @TheGreyKing for the shout out. Coincidentally I was waiting to be seated for dinner with my family including my Bowdoin son (back for the long weekend “Fall Break”) when i got the email so we chatted about it a bit at dinner. So thanks for the dinner conversation topic everyone…

For context, my son is a Junior at Bowdoin. He is the opposite of sporty or preppy. He didn’t do any sports in HS at all, and he mostly wears old t-shirts or clothes from H&M or Target, and wears them until they wear out. He’s smart, but not an intellectual per se. In HS he was into music, theater and journalism. He got turned off on one of Bowdoin’s peer schools on accepted student day because he got too much of a sports culture vibe and another because he got too much of a you-have-to-be-a-protestor-or-you-don’t-fit-in vibe.

Bottom line, he loves it. Professors have been great. Bowdoin is extremely generous with paid work opportunities doing activities you like and paid summer research opportunities (“research" even being defined even as writing your own fantasy novel, for example). Most of his classes are small, sometimes even single-digits small. Largest was 30-something. He’s double majoring in a science and humanities.

When asked if there’s any dominant culture or a sense that jocks or whoever control the school activities or the social scene, etc, he said definitely not. In fact, when I told him the stat on the % of Bowdoin student who do a sport he was shocked and said you get no sense of that there at all. There’s very minor examples of sports-cliquey-ness, like it being generally understood certain teams always use particular tables at the cafeterias (though he added they weren’t the best seats anyway, so they self-selected tables that others wouldn’t want. But it is trivial — nothing like my experience at UCLA decades ago. As for preppy-ness, he says the opposite is true. Statistically, we know there’s a lot of kids from affluent families there but almost everyone goes out of their ways to hide it, dressing basically, not throwing money around, not driving fancy cars (if they even have them), etc. He couldn’t even tell you in most cases whether the people he knows came from money or not. There’s no class divide or haves and have-nots that he’s experienced.

Politically, the campus leans liberal like almost every LAC, but is less of a hot bed than many of it’s peers. Around the same time that Middlebury was having riots and injuries when a conservative speaker came to campus, a Bowdoin student conservative club hosted Dinesh D’Souza (who I would argue is far more controversial than the Middlebury speaker) who spoke without incident. Some students published editorials and a small group quietly held signs outside, but no one disrupted the event. 95+ percent of the students on campus were likely opposed to D’Souza but they abjectly civilly.

Beyond that, he said some of the social houses organically become kind of cliquey but only in that people all go to the same parties and hang out together by choice, not that they have any cultural influence over the campus vibe. Overall he thought someone could be into almost anything and find their people there and not be put off by others who were into something different.

Personally I suspect this is true of most of Bowdoin’s peers — they are great schools with varied cultures and most of their “reputations” are probably over-stated. I’m sure you can’t go wrong either way. Good luck.

@citivas what you’re describing is very similar to the vibe I got from Bowdoin when I visited, so I’m glad to see that someone who’s actually attending is giving my personal sense of things some backing. (And I imagine you’re right in that all of the top northeastern LACs in terms of social culture overflow the bounds of their stereotypical and likely outdated reputations considering how many applicants they get from all different places and circumstances.) Thanks for your response :slight_smile:

You need some back-ups to Reed and especially to Bowdoin, right?

LACs that offer merit scholarships include:
College of the Atlantic (Bar Harbor, ME)
Colorado College
Grinnell College
Kenyon College
Lawrence University
Lewis & Clark College (Portland, OR)
Macalester College
Whitman College

“Outdoorsy” interests are very strong at some of these schools.
https://www.coa.edu/our-community/student-activities/outdoor-programs/
https://www.coloradocollege.edu/offices/outdooreducation/
https://www.lclark.edu/programs/college_outdoors/
https://www.whitman.edu/academics/signature-programs/outdoor-program

I wonder if you wouldn’t prefer the vibe of z place like Haverford. It’s an open minded place, strong welcoming community, and is not isolated. Not too sporty. Bowdoin definitely is sporty. Haverford is not aggressively alt. I know you like Maine, but it could be isolated and isolating for a trans gay person.

I also second looking at Wesleyan.

I don’t know why Haverford would be considered any less “sporty” than Bowdoin. We got a pretty sporty vibe all 4 times we visited (perhaps because of the tour guides), the most recent just 2 months ago. But putting aside anecdotal experiences which aren’t that meaningful, by most statistical measures it’s in parity with Bowdoin – a similar, technically even higher, percentage of students in a Varsity sport for example. I seem to recall an article years ago in the NYT (or perhaps WSJ) about Haverford’s sports culture and how its challenging because the student body is so small (1,100 students).

I agree that Wesleyan is less “sporty” than most of its NESCAC peers.

yo just an update if anyone even cares (which I doubt): I applied early to Vassar (as some people here suggested) and got in, so if all goes well between now and next summer, I’ll be going there, and I’m feeling good about it. yippee

Congratulations! I hope you have a wonderful time in college.

CONGRATS @mrpierogi197 ! Hope you have a wonderful adventure there :slight_smile:

Love the surprise ending. I wish you more than luck!