<p>Annasdad offers an alternative title to this thread in post 15, "Yeah, in retrospect, maybe I should have titled the thread “Athletic departments will be athletic departments - and get away with it.”</p>
<p>I suggest another alternative: Does Marquette U. sweep sex crimes against women under the rug?</p>
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<p>Whether or not that’s true, the allegation that the campus security service “discouraged her from going to Milwaukee police by telling her the allegations would draw news media attention,” if true, is damning.</p>
<p>Would you agree that the wrongful accusations levied against the Duke lacrosse players makes it neither more or less likely that the Marquette athletes are innocent? Or the Florida players? Or the Washington players? Or the [fill in the blank] players?</p>
<p>I think there exists a sense of entitlement at some, but not all, universities when it comes to the behavior of prominent DI athletes. Those athletes are concluding, based on careful observation and sound judgment, that they are above the law. In many instances, they are correct.</p>
<p>That twisted culture is created by a failure by school administrators, athletic directors, college faculties and communities (who tolerate it), and mostly coaches (pains me to say that but it is truth).</p>
<p>It’s not just athletes that get these allegations squashed. As poetgrl said “campus securitiy’s first mission is to protect the school’s reputation, not the individual.” Athletes may get some preferential treatment, but the school will do what it can not to involve outside authorities for many types of incidents.</p>
<p>x-poste with gettingridofson</p>
<p>these conversations tend to get kind of messy on CC, but I will just say that police involvement is the “best” way to get a real investigation. It’s not perfect, and acquaintance rape is difficult to prove, obviously, but it is the fact that this young woman was discouraged from going to the police which raises red flags for me, about the school and the program. </p>
<p>No one should ever be discouraged from going to the proper authorities and when that is allowed to happen, the administration becomes open to accusations of a cover up. Simple as that.</p>
<p>In the article, the administration admits to having made mistakes in these situations. Catholic institutions, and I can say this since I was raised Catholic, NEVER admit to mistakes unless they are there.</p>
<p>As for the drunkeness and whatnot? Young men really ought to be raised to value women better than they do, these days, and young women should be raised to value themselves much more highly than they do. The first adament “NO” should have been to the shots. If pushed to drink? A young woman should immediately leave the party, imho. Nothing good can come of an environment where shots are being dispensed as knock out punches. Freshman girls make so many unfortunate mistakes, as do freshman boys.</p>
<p>Holloween party or not, the sexual crimes (forcible rapes) can be many, in many elite colleges too. Data collected over 2006-2008 period:</p>
<p>Tufts (36)
Harvard (128)
Rutgers (28)
WashU, StL(22)
MIT (18)
Temple (34)
UPenn (27)
Brown (18)
Columbia (23)
Stanford (34)
UMich-Ann Arbor (119)
Wake Forest (17)
Yale (33)
U Maine (26)
Northeastern (26)
UCberkeley (43)
U Chicago (15)
Princeton (53)
Vaderbilt (21)
Northwestern (13)
[Most</a> Dangerous Colleges 2010 - The Daily Beast](<a href=“Most Dangerous Colleges 2010”>Most Dangerous Colleges 2010)</p>
<p>What’s wrong with Harvard and UMichigan with 110-130 sexual crimes ?? Would be hard for parents to send girls to those. Yale and Stanford seem safer in comparison with only 30s. (or 10 sexual crimes per year)</p>
<p>But then Huffingtonpost includes UMichigan and Princeton among the * top 10 sexually healthy colleges *.
[The</a> 10 Most Sexually Healthy Colleges](<a href=“HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost”>The 10 Most Sexually Healthy Colleges | HuffPost College)</p>
<p>Well, Yale has a history of under-reporting, so I would take that with a grain of salt. They have such a history of under-reporting and turning a blind eye to sexual assualt and harrassment, they are being taken to court over it.</p>
<p>Sad but true.</p>
<p>Maybe Harvard and Michigan have policies that require all allegations to be reported to the police and Northwestern and UChicago do not?</p>
<p>I have no idea whether that’s the case - just that when there are data like these with no indication of who compiled them, or (especially) how, they are basically useless.</p>
<p>Playing devils advocate here…could the possibility exist that at some of the schools with higher reported numbers it is more acceptable to report? Are these statistics apples to apples? We don’t know. What we do know is the culture of acceptance is certainly different in different areas so a low(er) number does not equate safety necessarily.</p>
<p>^^ (annas dad) well you can spend time and look into the credibility of the source. My basic attitude is, if such data exist in public site, then it better reflect truth. Schools with worst numbers can easily go after them for ‘defamation’ if the numbers are very untrue. So, dismiss it if ytou like.</p>
<p>^ numbers reflect ‘forcible rapes’ </p>
<p>My question would be, if they are forcible rapes, would the perpetrators be dropped from schools? So, Harvard and Michigan would lose 40 students or so a year due to sexual crimes ?</p>
<p>I agree, BI, I think that makes a lot of sense. My guess would be that sexual assualt would be more or less evenly distributed through all colleges at a similar stat level. I really doubt, unless there are far different safety precautions being taken, that there is that much of a variance in numbers given the similarity in the demographic make up of the student populations at these particular schools.</p>
<p>I could be wrong. Perhaps the type of kid to go to Harvard is markedly different than the type to go to Yale. Who knows?</p>
<p>I’m not dismissing truth. I have no ‘dog in this race’ (ie no gain to see one school ahead of another). I just had a thought to share on the subject, same as you. Peace…</p>
<p>An acquaintance of mine is a rape counselor and works at a hospital near one of the schools on the list. She is called in several times each weekend–almost always for college girls. Rapes are vastly underreported because most girls decide, after some thought, not to finger the man because they fear repercussions and damage to their reputation. Sometimes they are minors (high school girls attending campus frat parties) and don’t want their parents finding out. So these numbers are meaningless as far as assessing campus safety or sexual attitudes. Who knows, maybe the Harvard girls, for example, are a more self-assured group who also have greater financial and legal resources, and thus are more likely to press charges.</p>
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<p>Got news for you, toughyear. The Internet is full of “public sites” with bogus information. Including this one, sometimes.</p>
<p>The problem with the numbers is two-fold: Underreported sex crimes and, on the other hand, what is counted as ‘sexual assault,’ frequently incidents that would never pass any kind of criminal investigation tests and/or where the police/prosecutor decided that there was no crime as in the Stanford case. Also, keep in mind that new guidelines for college sexual crimes only require a 'preponderance of the evidence" (more than 50%) rather than “beyond reasonable doubt.”</p>
<p>Last year Tufts responded to the Daily Beast article. Part of their response was to refute the accuracy of the statistics:</p>
<p>"Among the recent media reports circulating about campus safety, you may be aware of a list published by “The Daily Beast” website that ranked Tufts as the most dangerous campus in America. We wanted you to know that this listing is based on flawed methodology and is extremely inaccurate.</p>
<p>We believe there are several reasons for its gross inaccuracy. First, unlike some Boston area universities, Tufts has reported to the U.S. Department of Education not only incidents that take place on our three campuses but also incidents on adjacent public property that are reported to us by municipal police. This is done so that our community is aware of such incidents and can take proper precautions, but it may create the misperception that our campuses are less safe than they really are. Most of those off-campus incidents do not involve Tufts students, faculty or staff. Second, safety data reported for our health sciences campus in downtown Boston has historically included off-campus areas that are several blocks away from campus–much farther than would normally be reported. This has also inflated the number of incidents reported for Tufts.</p>
<p>Fortunately, Tufts police now have access to crime statistics for Boston that are much more precise. As a result, in the future we will be able to exclude extraneous geographical areas from our reports to the Department of Education. This means that Tufts’ crime statistics for 2009 will be more accurate and much lower than in previous years."</p>
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anna’s dad, perhaps you can enlighten me. Although I share with you with that one should keep a healthy share of doubt in the materials on internet, what ‘eveidence’ do you have that it is false? There will be some inaccuracies, but whatever the methodology they used, it should have been based on the data they obtained. It am with the opinion that the number of focible rapes can/will vary from campus to campus according to the campus culture and housing arrangements. If you think these stats will be similar just because their academic stats are similar and because the human sexual drive are similar in the 18-22 year old boys, I think you are wrong. Harvard’s abnormally high number may be tied to the ‘free’ campus atmoshpere, with dorm arrangement etc. I think that 128 Rapes over three years is huge … 40 forcible rapes a year for a student body of 6000-8000 ? 80 kids involved unless there is one maniac roaming around campus.</p>
<p>Bookmarked.</p>
<p>@toughyear, I don’t know whether the data are accurate or not. I do know that when I see data anywhere - but especially on the Internet - that has no indication of how it was gathered, or by whom, or with what controls, or under what assumptions, I regard it with suspicion. When the data defy common sense - UC Berkeley, with two and a half times the number of undergrads as Harvard has one-third the number of crimes? - then I am even less willing to accept it without investigation.</p>
<p>Trying to keep up, as usual. </p>
<p>Am I being paranoid in thinking race can be an issue ? I have a s athlete, a d at Duke, and a distant relative on the Duke lacrose team at the time of “the incident”. </p>
<p>Mostly worried about son, although he is more a gentleman than a scholar,</p>