Breaking the news about ROTC, VTCC - Parents, could I hear your opinion?

<p>Hey everyone, as the forum title suggests, I would like to hear parents’ opinion about ROTC, and possibly interject their opinion in the situation I am in.
At the moment, on the happy note, I’ve been accepted to Virginia Tech, under the Virginia Tech Cadet Corps Program, through Early Decision, and I am a recipient of the Virginia Tech Emerging Leadership Scholarship.; albeit, against my parents’ wishes to join VTCC, and I have not broken the news to my parents that I have signed up to be part of VTCC.
I’m going to be the first in my immediate family to graduate high school, go to college; I am also a first generation Chinese American, which puts a lot of pressure from that from the rest of my family.
For me, VT has been my dream college; it’s always been that since I’m little, since a neighborhood friend introduced me to it, and in Middle school, I researched college for a project. At the same time, my mother for the most part belittled me as I entered High School. For her, the 3.8 GPA, the NHS Secretary title, the FBLA President title, the 30 ACT score, the IB diploma, it didn’t matter (she is an Asian stereotypical parent).
As the youngest in my extended family on my mom’s side, I’m often compared to my older cousins on that side, the ones with full ride academic scholarships, going to UVA with the .4.0 GPA, IB full diploma, one cousin the 1st place, three year streak in Scholastic Arts contest. Mostly private sector work, which is mainly what my mom’s side, has done. For example, owning a wedding planner business, head a research dept. for detergent manufacture, accounting, bank management, that sort.
For my dad’s side, they lived the American dream. My Grandfather served with the US Marines, lied about his age, left his hometown of Chinatown, California, to fight for the US from late 1942 to 1949. From there, my dad’s side really cut their lives, made a living. My uncle served as an army Surgeon during Bosnia and Desert Storm with 1st Calvary. Others worked for the government, and still do. My cousins in this side served their country, or the gov’t, such as DEA, FBI, Coast Guard, or CIA.
For my personal plans, I personally want to serve my country. Some wonder why, but, it’s just something inside me, I guess, as a good friend described it, “true patriotism”. Working at the USMC Museum as a tour guide, volunteering as an EMT and part of CERT, waking up every day with my Grandfather who made me recite the USMC values, paid for Martial Arts classes, (current 2nd Degree at Wing Chun), made me learn to hunt, pushed me to train to be in the same physical shape he was; when he served and just, the feeling to serve my country. College plan wise, I’ve also always wanted to be part of the Medical Community, and I’ve been adamant against all other family pressures, who always told me that medicine would ruin me, and would be a hard life, especially since I’ve always held firm I wanted to be part of the Trauma Field. As an EMT, it seemed natural for me, and I’ve wanted to continue as an ER surgeon. </p>

<p>Which was why I decided to do VTCC, against my mother’s wishes, I wanted to serve my country, besides financially it would help my family, college debt, it’s something I wanted to do, the experience I could gain being part of the military services in their medical branch, it’s all a culmination of that.<br>
For my mother though, the often overriding factor has been the opinion that my mom believes that I would like to enlist as an infantry officer, or simply, as just regular front line infantry. Through that, she believes that because I “failed” to be as accomplished as my cousins, that I would waste my life away through the Armed Services.
The big problem then, is confronting her, and possibly my dad. My mother ignores the advice of my dad’s side, and now, since college is coming close, the mere idea of being in the military has caused family strife. During a family get together for example, my mom brought up the idea of me serving the military, intentionally triggering an argument between both sides, and directing that the reason why the argument started was because of my “idea”. At the same time, it’s the overbearing idea of being kicked out of the house. My mother has kicked me out of the house before for poor academic performance, and for arguing with her, trying to explain why at the moment I was not doing well, and I’ve had the “luxury” of sleeping outside for about two-three days or so on those moments,. I know the threat of being removed from the home, being legally disowned as well, is a very real threat, and I decided to have a counselor meeting with myself and my parents, though merely it’s a prospect, and I did tell my counselor that I would decide whether to have the meeting or not, though the counselor is willing to sit down and speak with them.
I would like to hear, what is your opinion? Should I go against my family’s wishes to serve my country? And what is your overall opinion of the military and how it will affect, just, the generation in general as the US Army announces peace time transition, as well as the USMC?</p>

<p>Well, I am the Mom of an ROTC student, so I can tell you that it is extra work in college, but my son, like you has a desire to serve his country. I support him 100% but then my husband was career military so I understand the job and the lifestyle. Does your Mother understand that you can pursue any professional field in the military with great training and lots of job security?</p>

<p>Have you applied for an ROTC scholarship? If not, you need to get on it right now. If you receive a scholarship, it will pay your tuition so your costs of college would be room, board and expenses. Some schools waive room and board for ROTC scholarship students, but I don’t think VT is one of them (I could be wrong). You also receive a stipend if you are on scholarship and a book allowance.</p>

<p>The fact that you have military people in your immediate family should make it easier for your Mom to understand that it’s a good career option. </p>

<p>Good luck with the discussion. I would ask from help from your Father in helping your Mother understand your desire to serve your country. You have to decide what is best for you but I know you want to keep a good relationship with your parents.</p>

<p>That’s one of the big hurdles.</p>

<p>Yes, at the moment, I’m almost done with my applications for Army and Navy option.
The real “up in the air” thing is just explaining to my parents about the military option. </p>

<p>My dad personally is neutral, he believes as long as it is not a straight enlistment option, he’s also a “you’re an adult now, you have responsibility”. </p>

<p>I am unsure honestly about the relationship with my parents, because already I have a fragmented relationship with my mom. It’s not exactly the most warm relationship.</p>

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I agree with your dad - it’s your decision. It sounds as if you’ve already has serious difficulties with your mother at least since she’s kicked you out of the house before (and what did your dad have to say about that - and why didn’t he stop it?). </p>

<p>The only place you need to tread lightly is in paying for school - if your parents will pay any of it they have some hold over you whether it’s reasonable or not.</p>

<p>I’m glad you want to serve your country and appreciate it. It’s admirable.</p>

<p>I would agree with VAMom2015 about applying for ROTC scholarships. Would your parents (mom) be more amenable to the military if you were an officer versus enlisted? It is a difficult situation if your parents are holding the purse strings so look into the ROTC scholarships.</p>

<p>Have you pointed out to your parents that the military can pay for your medical school if you pursue your medical degree (ER Surgeon)? </p>

<p>I hope everything works out for you. My husband enjoyed his 20+years in the Army and was commissioned as an officer through ROTC.</p>

<p>It’s your life and I’d keep going with the plan you have being as tactful as possible (rather than argumentative) with your mom. I suspect she’ll come around - esp once you are successful (and I suspect you will be). It’s common for mamas to be scared for their offspring, but she doesn’t get to live vicariously through you.</p>

<p>BTW, VTCC alumni here. :wink: At first, my parents didn’t understand why I chose what I chose. I think this is pretty common. It’s a fun, rewarding choice for the right person.</p>

<p>It’s pretty firm from my mom’s standpoint that she doesn’t want me to be part of the military, officer nor enlisted at the moment. </p>

<p>I’ve pointed out all these facts about finance and such, it’s just, I can’t really say, there’s a slight amount of distrust in the military, though, it stems a lot from my Uncle on my mom’s side.
He’s slightly racist, to put it lightly about the US military, and has always told my mom that the military is designed so that “the white population can control the gov’t and the military, and the only way that is done is to make sure all the smart soldiers who are minorities in the military are killed off, that’s why they’re always sent to the front lines, and why you never hear of minorities succeeding as an officer”. (slightly verbatim, my Chinese is not the best, specifically his dialect). </p>

<p>Eh. It’s really a “watch and see” at this point. I’ve had my thoughts to back down to my parent,s but in the back of my mind, I want to serve, and keep going in life.</p>

<p>Steel, I have no advice except to keep working toward your goal. My S did NROTC in college and has not regretted it for a moment. He always wanted to be in the military and we supported his plan.
I’m sorry you are facing such tough opposition from your family. Do they realize that if you are eighteen years old you could go to a recruiting station and enlist and they would have no say so about it? Wouldn’t they much rather have you go to college and commission as an officer versus enlisting w/ no college degree?</p>

<p>The other thing to point out is that if you are under the age of 18 one of your parents will have to sign off on the ROTC contract.</p>

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<p>Your uncle is also wrong unless he doesn’t consider the following folks to be “minorities”:</p>

<p>Gen. Colin Powell</p>

<p>Gen. Eric Shinseki</p>

<p>Gen. John Abizaid</p>

<p>Maj Gen. Eldon Regua</p>

<p>and many many others. Granted, there’s still concern there aren’t enough minorities in the highest ranks of the US armed forces…but those are just a few examples I can think of. </p>

<p>Also, as a Chinese-American with a couple of relatives who were commissioned officers(US Navy and US Army respectively), both were well-treated and respected for the most part. Granted, one left the service due to the post-Soviet collapse massive RIF after the early '90s and the other for family reasons after serving her full obligation.</p>

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<p>A couple of different issues going on here.</p>

<p>As others have said – it’s your life, you choose. However, if parents are paying, that complicates matters. As I’ve posted in another thread, my D’s mother disagrees with her about which direction my daughter’s college career should go. And there is no easy solution. Sorry. If we arrive at a solution, I’ll let you know. ;)</p>

<p>As far as the VT Corps of Cadets goes …</p>

<p>There is certainly nothing wrong with “serving one’s country.” (Keep in mind, though, that there are a lot of ways of doing that besides joining the army. Most of them unrecognized unfortunately.)</p>

<p>But the VTCC is a decaying old aftermath of the South’s defeat in the Civil War. Its first commander was a Confederate officer. And its first trip off campus was to honor Lee in the capital of the Confederacy.</p>

<p>I also have serious issues with boys (and girls) dressing up as soldiers marching across a college campus and attending college classes in a uniform. It’s inappropriate, ill-suited and out of place for a state university in the 21st century. If someone wants to play soldier, I guess, they can go to VMI (which also happens to be a state school).</p>

<p>OP you have a major issue on the NROTC side, specifically that for Fall 2013 in order to have the best chance for a scholarship your app should have been complete and your interview conducted by 9/1! At least half of the selection boards have already met and your chances are greatly reduced now. Although the absolute deadline is 1/31 I’ve never heard of anyone getting the scholarship applying this late. </p>

<p>The fact that you are applying Navy and Army concerns me. Very different services, very different missions.</p>

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<p>I don’t think anyone was encouraging you to apply. ;)</p>

<p>For those of us actually involved in it, it was quite a bit of fun - I suppose akin to a large fraternity/sorority. I was hopeful one of my boys would be interested (whether military or not), but they aren’t. It’s only “right” if the interest is there.</p>

<p>SteelOxide, I am sorry that your mother and her family are so uninformed about how service benefits the country, but also by your own passion. I am sad that a mother can’t recognize or acknowledge what matters to you. I would look for ways to do this without her financial support (possibly enlisting the support of your father’s side of the family). </p>

<p>Since you are already committed Early Decision, you can stress that the decision was already made. </p>

<p>I wish you well in your future endeavors. Both military and healthcare need people that are committed and loyal, and you seem to have a good plan.</p>

<p>Although you would have more opportunities to be looked at for scholarships if you had applied before the first board met, I can tell you that my DS applied only in time for the final board two years ago (AROTC). He received a 4 year scholarship to a private university ($$$$). He was a top candidate, though. Make sure you get all the requirements done–you have to interview with an ROTC commander and complete a fitness test along with the application. Get everything set up ASAP so you can have a completed application packet by the deadline.</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

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<p>Sorry.
Excuse me for having an opinion.
That it was the O/P asked for.</p>

<p>Some people, for example, think Greek is a good thing. Some people don’t.
Some people like apple pie. Some prefer blueberry.</p>

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<p>Actually, for your information, when I was that age they did.
And it was quite a bit more than an “encouragement.”</p>

<p>[Selective</a> Service System: History and Records](<a href=“http://www.sss.gov/lotter1.htm]Selective”>http://www.sss.gov/lotter1.htm)</p>

<p>^^^ The VTCC has never had a draft. It’s been years since VT has required everyone to join the Corps, and even then, it wasn’t the only college choice available for folks.</p>

<p>I was strongly encouraged to apply for and accept an AFROTC scholarship in the 70’s. I realize now, what it meant, and it was overall a good thing for ME, but there is no way I understood what I was committing to at 17.</p>

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<p>AROTC and NROTC are MUCH different in terms of competitiveness for the 4-year scholarship. AROTC is much easier to get. I stand by my statement.</p>

<p>Follow your heart into medicine. You can serve your country in Doctors without borders or in many other ways without going in the military against your family wishes. You have great accomplishments and should be proud of yourself. It may be difficult to be compared with your cousins but everyone has different abilities, and as long as you did your best, that’s all that matters. </p>

<p>Please understand that our military and our country wars today are different that when your grandfather served. My husband works at a VA medical center and we do a lot of volunteering there with our sons. We are aware of psychiatric ward full of suicidal returning soldiers. We see mothers spoon-feeding their boys in the nursing home after a traumatic head injury. It is very sad. I am sure you have done college tours but how about an army tour? It is glorified. At your age it is hard to grasp what you are signing up for, and the dream of ROTC scholarship may distort your vision. College debt can be repaid eventually, but you can’t buy physical and mental health.</p>

<p>I would let your decision stand the test of time (5-10 years). Do not take any steps now that cannot be undone. You can always join the military after medical school.</p>