Brown V.S. Dartmouth

<p>hi there, I’m new to this website. I’m a ‘rising’ senior in highschool and I’ve become really interested in Brown and Dartmouth, I just can’t decide which one I like better.</p>

<p>What are the major differences and similarities?
Compare and contrast… </p>

<p>1) Academic scene
2) Campus location and closest city/town location
3) Social scene
4) Campus population
5) I like journalism and theater… which school is better at these?</p>

<p>I don’t know what I want to major in yet… don’t take that into account</p>

<p>I can’t think of anymore.
Also, I know Brown is “uber-liberal”… but how, Politically or culturally… like laid-back?? </p>

<p>Thanks a lot! :)</p>

<p>Both schools have a reputation for being liberal. There probably won't be much of a difference, but Brown leans a little more to the left. Most colleges, though, are laid back, so it shouldn't be a factor in deciding. The academics are pretty similar, except for the requirements. Brown, of course, has none, which is great. And any class can be taken pass/fail, and there are no +/- in the grading system, all of which is good. Dartmouth has some dumb requirements, like PE and a swim test. Dartmouth also has a strange trimester/quadrester/something system; I don't know the details. I didn't like it. Too weird. At Dartmouth, more drinking and Greek Life than Brown. Big reputation for that. Brown is in Providence, pretty cool city. Dartmouth is in the middle of nowhere. Cool if you really like nature and camping (non-stop for four years), not if you don't. And Brown has a reputation for being a very artsy school, whereas Dartmouth doesn't. So I would venture a guess that you'll find much more support for theater, and probably journalism, at Brown.</p>

<p>iwasatypo, thanks a lot. that helps, i think a campus visit will seal the deal. i didn't know dartmouth's academic curriculum was that complicated, well it seems complicated.</p>

<p>PE and a swim test? wow</p>

<p>you def belong at brown. i know it seems like a hard decision right now btwn the two, but once you choose brown, you'll have no regrets...i hope. of course this is an extremely biased repsonse and i offer no other constructive advice. hehe ;)</p>

<p>If you like them both so much --> why not apply and see which one you get in? I was in a similar situation as you last yr but got accepted only to one.</p>

<p>they're definitely different schools. i will say that not all schools are laid back, but almost all are predominantly liberal.</p>

<p>dartmouth is great if you are outdoorsy. the appalachian trail goes right through campus and dartmouth has it's own skiway.</p>

<p>both schools have great faculty, but i think brown has more star power. brown faculty includes nobel laureates, pulitzer prize winners, and people like the former president of brazil and the founders of the chinese democratic party. it's hard to get folks like that to stay in hanover. brown also brings more big names to campus for lectures--while these are rare events at dartmouth, there's seems to be someone interesting at brown almost every week. people i've heard speak during my time at brown include bill & hillary clinton, salman rushdie, tom wolfe, spike lee, anderson cooper, dan rather, oliver stone and on and on.</p>

<p>i also think there is a lot to be said for the open curriculum at brown vs. many distribution requirements, a trimester system, and plus/minus grades at dartmouth.</p>

<p>thanks guys, really informational!
ahh, I keep bouncing back and forth!!</p>

<p>I will apply to both, and i'll prlly either a) get rejected by both or b)get accepted by one, lol </p>

<p>ivyleaguer.. what do you mean I 'def.' belong to Brown? :)</p>

<p>how is the Daily Herald (is that what it's called)?</p>

<p>Posted this on the Dartmouth board but thought it might help here:</p>

<p>This is so close to home, so I guess I'll write alot. Dartmouth/ Brown was my choice as well and I ended up choosing Dartmouth but not after some serious thinking. The funny thing is that even after serious contemplation, I literally could not decide and choose Dartmouth basically after a coin flip of sorts lol! During college I visited Brown probably 7-8 weekends, however, so I know it really well. The great news is there is no wrong choice: I loved Dartmouth more than anything, but I am totally convinced I would have loved Brown just as much. These are by far my two of most favorite schools (throw in Stanford as the other).</p>

<p>1) Academic scene
I don't know much about Brown except the obvious lack of a core. Dartmouth's distributives are very broad so honestly to me it was a benefit if anything in that it forced me to take a couple classes (like Acting for my art) that I might otherwise not have taken. Dartmouth is awesome in terms of teaching and professor engagement, and the school is absolutely focused on the undergrad. I was an anthro major and I got $10K for my thesis research and TWO incredibly active thesis advisors. I literally had some classes with less than five people at the upper levels. Dartmouth professors take you to dinner, they encourage you, and they are amazing. I think part of the reason Dartmouth grads do so well at grad school admissions is the fact that they know their professors so well. Frankly its amazing. I am sure Brown's academics are great too, but Dartmouth does have a terrific LAC-like feel. People love to discard the D-plan but I thought it was awesome. Sophomore summer is most students favorite term and getting to go on two-three study abroads is rare. The only downside I have heard is that the science classes are slightly harder since you have less time to absorb and the pace is slightly faster. </p>

<p>2) Campus location and closest city/town location
In my opinion Brown's nearby Thayer Street blows Hanover out of the water. East Providence is hip, cool, and there are alot of great restaurants and it really does cater to students. Providence itself isn't that wonderful, but its awesome in the area where Brown is located. Conversely, Hanover is beautiful but I found the town to be more stodgy and its not catered to students. In terms of the city, Brown wins bigtime.</p>

<p>ON the other hand, Dartmouth's location in the mountains is amazing. The outdoor access is awesome, people ski during the winters on the skiway, jump in the river in summers. To be honest only a select group of students are into the hardcore outdoors. Its the casual outdoor stuff like snowball fights during the winter, riding your bike through the beautiful fall leaves, the swimming in the river during summers, BBQs by houses on the river, the awesome stars when you are out at night, etc, etc. During the summer the campus feels like a magical summer camp, during the winters its charming and warm. </p>

<p>3) Social scene
Brown is very active socially. The dorms restrictions are very lax so first-year parties abound. There are house parties, frat parties, bars, and people even venture downtown to clubs. Its a more cliquey scene, however. Different groups tend to stick together more, so its less community oriented. Its safe to say I think that people walk away with great friends, but it feels more like a University than Dartmouth. </p>

<p>Dartmouth is very community oriented. The Greek scene is huge, but its unlike any other greek scene anywhere. The houses are all open for parties to everyone and there's actually a campus list publishing the big parties that weekend. What usually happens is there will be two-three big dance parties a night plus lots of houses will have smaller groups hanging out. The cool thing is there is usally alot of energy as everyone is going to the same key places or are at least aware of the big parties. Its absolutely open and everyone is absolutely friendly. In addition to the greek scene there is a house party scene, smaller gatherings in dorms, plus niche scenes like the organic farm crowd or the Ledyard Canoe club crowd. The nights are full of activity. Dartmouth's downside might be that its jock culture does have power with the frats, places like Chi Heorot, Theta Delt, and Psi U are centered around sports teams and I think this can intimidating. The upside is there is a large social scene outside these places.</p>

<p>I think its safe to say Brown has smaller gatherings for niche groups (although there are big parties!), while Dartmouth has bigger parties that everyone goes to all the time. </p>

<p>4) Campus population
Both are equally diverse, although Dartmouth is conceived as less diverse than Brown the truth is its actually slightly more diverse. But since its smaller the sheer number of members of these groups is smaller so there is less "minority cliqueyness." In this way its amazing, people interact between groups at Dartmouth amazingly well. Yet I think some minority groups find comfort in sticking together and someone who grew up only hanging out with a particular minority crowd might like Brown more. Also, Brown does "feel" more international in terms of student makeup. </p>

<p>In terms of student politics I would say there is a huge overlap of "liberal" students at both. Dartmouth is more accepting of people with a conservative (libertarian) point of view, but overall I'd say 75-80% of Dartmouth is liberal while 85-90% of Brown is liberal. Frankly its not that large a difference. </p>

<p>Overall thought the students at Dartmouth overwhelmingly are the playful, fun loving, brilliant type. People tend to play down themselves which is great and refreshing among the Ivies. My experience with Brown students is that they are very similar but a little more "edgy."</p>

<p>5) I like journalism and theater.. which school is better at these?
No idea. But Dartmouth does have great theater and actively supports it. I am sure Brown does as well, maybe better, maybe worse. My guess is both are equally respected in the journalism field. </p>

<p>Hope this helps!</p>