Bush on Iraq: Let's wait for Petraeus' report...oh, wait, forget I said that...

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They voted for the war in iraq because it was popular at the time, and now they are against it.

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<p>Ah, so you agree that this was a huge mistake, voting for the war, one of the stupidest foreign policy blunders of the last century.</p>

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Oh, and last time I checked, everyone is blaming bush for everything going on in the war....

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<p>Everyone except for you, who apparently thinks a) it was a good idea or b) people should just let up on the poor sod.</p>

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hell nobody gives a crap if any president is smart, what matters is what they do when they are in charge.

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<p>It doesn't bother you that your president is this dumb?</p>

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Frankly, that's the American public.

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<p>You were the one that said the American public is stupid. In anticipation of your thought that Clinton, for a brief period of time, was voted a poor president although the nation hadn't been taken to a misguided war and was enjoying a period of remarkable prosperity. I would say that you may have been following politics for a long time in an echo chamber. In the longer run, people have seen that Clinton was a good president, if he had problems. And by contrast to W, magnificent.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fze2J2Ve9is%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fze2J2Ve9is&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>You truly have no standards.</p>

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Well, indeed Carter was not a good president, but he's nowhere close to the basement that Bush does, and will, find himself in over time:</p>

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<p>How long have you been following politics? It's a serious question, because every statement you give makes it appear that you've really started followin in the last year or so. Clinton, during his impeachment, was voted the 2nd worst president OF ALL TIME. See, there's this thing people get caught up in, it's called the stir of the moment. People always think things are at their worst in the here and now, when in fact this isn't the case. Clinton being voted the 2nd worst of all time is one of these times....surely he wasn't the 2nd worst of all time, hell I'd argue he was actually above average. Lincoln had abysmal approval ratings during his presidency, look how that turned out? The fact is you can't judge a presidents legacy while he is still in office...this is common knowledge.</p>

<p>EDIT 1: BTW: Way to edit in that "in anticipation." Cmon man, at least be honest when I nailed you on a point and you have to go back and edit. You didn't anticipate anything, nice try lying though. Also, don't post anymore youtube videos to back up your arguments....I don't know if you have written any essays in college yet but they wont be acceptable citations. Furthermore I suggest staying away from wiki articles, blogs, message boards and chat rooms as they will also be frowned upon.</p>

<p>EDIT 2: I've been a paid staffer on two major races, one of them national and one of them for governor. I've spent summers interning in DC with senators and congressional think tanks. I've hardly been living in an echo chamber when it comes to politics....I suggest you get out and actually get involved in stuff and you might know a little more, as opposed to believe w/e you see on youtube (lol).</p>

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Ah, so you agree that this was a huge mistake, voting for the war, one of the stupidest foreign policy blunders of the last century.

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<p>1) Please point to where I said this was a huge mistake....just provide that quote in the next post, thanks :)</p>

<p>2) I do think the war in iraq was a good idea</p>

<p>3) You still haven't answered why Pelosi has lower approval rating then Cheney.</p>

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"Do you have more confidence in President Bush or in the Democrats in Congress to deal with the major issues facing the country today?" Half sample, MoE ± 4.5</p>

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In Congress: 48%</p>

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) You still haven't answered why Pelosi has lower approval rating then Cheney.

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<p>From Polling Report: <a href="http://www.pollingreport.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.pollingreport.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Pelosi's poll ratings, the latest poll I could find:</p>

<p>Diageo/Hotline Poll conducted by Financial Dynamics. July 19-22, 2007. N=801 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.5.
31% Favorable
35% Unfavorable</p>

<p>Cheney's poll ratings, the latest poll I could find:</p>

<p>CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Aug. 6-8, 2007. N=1,029 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.</p>

<p>"Do you approve or disapprove of the way Dick Cheney is handling his job as vice president?"
36% Favorable
57% Unfavorable</p>

<p>Wow, so now you Republicans are spinning that Pelosi's 31 to Cheney's 36 as a worse number?</p>

<p>Yeah, and you think the Iraq War's going well too.</p>

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How long have you been following politics?

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<p>Long enough to blow away blowhards like you...</p>

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<p>Still waiting for you to answer Q #1 from above</p>

<p>You know what....I'll save you from answering that one, cuz it can't be answered. I can't even argue with you anymore, because your inability to provide accurate quotes, putting words in my mouth, coupled with your constant editing pretending like you "see things coming" is pretty childish. Honestly, I have many democratic friends, some of which work on the hill, who are very good at arguing and debating...and when I talk to them they can usually hit me with some good points and we go back and forth. As for you? You cite youtube videos....nuff said. </p>

<p>PRINCETON, NJ — A new Gallup Poll finds Congress’ approval rating the lowest it has been since Gallup first tracked public opinion of Congress with this measure in 1974. Just 18% of Americans approve of the job Congress is doing, while 76% disapprove, according to the August 13-16, 2007, Gallup Poll. So, where does Bush come out in all of this? At the end of the day, the President has a 32% approval rating - 14% higher than the Democrats.</p>

<p>looks like congress isn't doing so well huh?</p>

<p>In November of 08, when I'm laughing at how the democrats managed to lose ANOTHER presidential bid, the 3rd in a row they should have won, I'll bump this thread with a big "I told you so!"</p>

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<p>^^^^</p>

<p>Hee hee. You get wound up so easily. </p>

<p>You should spend more time with your Dem friends on the hill a) to learn debating techniques and b) to learn, just to learn.</p>

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Actually, Democratically controlled Congress is made up of roughly equal numbers of Dems and Reps. And the polls show that a) Reps are viewed very poorly, much more poorly than Dems and b) the negative views of Dems is owing to their being insufficiently aggressive in undoing some of the stupidities and damage of the last 6 years of monopoly exec/leg branch rule by the Reps, who are widely viewed as having been failures and also morally suspect.</p>

<p>If Dems are loose cannons, Reps are liars or stupid or both.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.pollingreport.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.pollingreport.com&lt;/a>

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<p>LMFAO, laxattack just provided you the polling stats about Congress's approval rating. You guys voted them in office, now you deal with it. And you are a typical Dem. When challenged, the only thing you can provide is name-calling and character assasination. Why don't you stick to the issues at hand? </p>

<p>Thanks for playing. Oh, I can't wait to battle the leftists at my university this year. :D Whenever liberal college students are being challenged, the only thing they can do is insult my beliefs. That means, they know they do not have a leg to stand on in their argument.</p>

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<p>this links is great
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCvqCbY3fyI%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCvqCbY3fyI&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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3) You still haven't answered why Pelosi has lower approval rating then Cheney.

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<p>Above is what LAXAttack09 said was the case.</p>

<p>Below is what I found when I went to polling report and simply looked at the latest numbers:</p>

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From Polling Report: <a href="http://www.pollingreport.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.pollingreport.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Pelosi's poll ratings, the latest poll I could find:</p>

<p>Diageo/Hotline Poll conducted by Financial Dynamics. July 19-22, 2007. N=801 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.5.
31% Favorable
35% Unfavorable</p>

<p>Cheney's poll ratings, the latest poll I could find:</p>

<p>CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Aug. 6-8, 2007. N=1,029 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.</p>

<p>"Do you approve or disapprove of the way Dick Cheney is handling his job as vice president?"
36% Favorable
57% Unfavorable</p>

<p>Wow, so now you Republicans are spinning that Pelosi's 31 to Cheney's 36 as a worse number?</p>

<p>Yeah, and you think the Iraq War's going well too.

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<p>And you're telling me I didn't stick with the issues at hand?</p>

<p>The biggest issue at hand for the nation right now, IMO, is the Iraq War, a war that will have cost this country over 1 Trillion dollars. The Bush Administration pushed for the misconceived war, they told bald-faced lies to make it happen, they "mission accomplished" it with extreme incompetence, they cost 3,700+ lives of Americans for shabby reasons.</p>

<p>And you're telling me I don't stick with the issues at hand.</p>

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Wow, I thought that everyone knew that was common sense, but you obviously skipped that class! Do they offer Common Sense 101 at your university, or should I teach you the basics here on CC, because, golly, you sure do lack it!

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<p>Looks like you're the one who introduced an insulting tone into this post. If you're going to be a hypocrite, at least be smart about it.</p>

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<p>Bedhead, I was responding to another person who did not believe my initial post on here. I apologize if you thought I directed that post towards you.</p>

<p>Second, I know a lot of servicemen who died over there, and they believed that what they were doing was right, so every sentence that you posted, is a slam at them and it hurts to read the posts that some of you guys have made. How sad and pathetic to lead a life of darkness where there is no great outcome. You people just revel in the death of our soldiers. You attack Bush over and over but your words fall onto deaf ears. You just hate and look at the world in a bleak way.</p>

<p>Check out <a href="http://www.patdollard.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.patdollard.com&lt;/a> and watch the videos. A Marine referred me to this link, and it was very eye opening.</p>

<p>Life is so short. Stop arguing about the war, log off of CC, and live your life to the fullest. The servicemembers who have died would've done anything to enjoy the little things in life that you are taking for granted.</p>

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<p>To bedhead: Thanks for taking my post out of context and as usual spinning it to support your faulty arguments. The response I made was referring to someone who had been mocking my intelligence. Next time, read the entire thread, not just what you want to read. </p>

<p>I'm done with this thread. You are absolutely pathetic. The only reason you started this thread was so you could argue about the war and insult people. You're better off visiting moveon.org and Democratic Underground and posting your Iraq threads there.</p>

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<p>Hmm.... We have killed 1 MILLION Iraqis, if our troops think that is good in anyway, then... i don't know what to say. Sure several thousand american troops died, which obviously is horrible, but the people we are supposedly "helping" have suffered far worse. I don't believe in killing. </p>

<p>Obviously the war was a mistake for a bunch of reasons (money, lives, our "standing in the world" etc.), but we should be trying to figure out how we can fix/end the situation. </p>

<p>And, i agree that the American people, as a whole/majority are stupid. Hell, most of us(them)don't vote, and couldnt care less about the world. Of the rest, many just vote based on party, and not which candidate is actually the best, which leaves us with very few who really think about who should be leading the country (regardless of party).</p>

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but the people we are supposedly "helping" have suffered far worse. I don't believe in killing.

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<p>Who says we are supposed to help anyone?</p>

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Second, I know a lot of servicemen who died over there, and they believed that what they were doing was right, so every sentence that you posted, is a slam at them and it hurts to read the posts that some of you guys have made. How sad and pathetic to lead a life of darkness where there is no great outcome. You people just revel in the death of our soldiers.

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<p>Ha, you've got to be smoking crack. You are equating opposition to a stupidly conceived and poorly executed war that needlessly puts the lives of these men and women on the line in Iraq with reveling in the death of soldiers? That's about the cheapest logic the President's message machine bartered, and they even stopped trying to do so quite awhile ago. Apparently you didn't get the memo.</p>

<p>Firstly, your hero Dick "I had different priorities at the time" Cheney took five deferments during the Vietnam War. Some fight for a "great outcome" he took. And he's been quite principled on the war in Iraq, really stuck to his guns:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I have been fortunate not to know anybody directly who has died fighting in Iraq though I have seen friends off and fortunately seen them return home.</p>

<p>Here's a message from others who returned home. You should imbibe it. In your simple little world where one is either a patriot or against this war/for the President, its message is probably too hard to take, though:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/opinion/19jayamaha.html?em&ex=1188014400&en=b661044224d7e864&ei=5070%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/opinion/19jayamaha.html?em&ex=1188014400&en=b661044224d7e864&ei=5070&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I am a patriot. I love my country. I value the life of every fighting man and woman, which is why I don't want to see on wasted on the sadness and stupidity that is the Iraq War. I recognize that while we are a greatly powerful country, we cannot be the world's Superman. Iraq is not a problem that is fixable by us. And undertaking it promised to do nothing for our security, and is now militating against it.</p>

<p>Oh yeah, it turns out a lot of Americans are with me on this one too. But I guess they are reveling in the soldiers deaths, according to you.</p>

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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY%5B/url%5D%5B/quote%5D"&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY

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<p>Our mission in the gulf was never to get rid of saddam, rather to get iraq out of kuwait. Our mission the 2nd time around was completely different, one that required going into baghdad. hope that helps...</p>

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<p>anecdotal evidence is never convincing. </p>

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Iraq is not a problem that is fixable by us. And undertaking it promised to do nothing for our security, and is now militating against it.

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<p>I'm sure the fact that there has not been a single terrorist attack against a major US target since we started the war on terror wouldn't convince you, cuz you'd just say "but they can get us over there." Well, we've lost as many troops 4 years into Iraq as we did on one morning in this country....I'd much rather fight them over there and be proactive about it rather then reactive. Lemme guess, you probably oppose the patriot act as well huh?</p>