<p>If I want to go into business, what school/major should I apply to?</p>
<p>College of Agriculture and Life Sciences' Applied Economics and Management</p>
<p>you can also do Hotel and Ilr. Aem is not that easy to get in if you are out of state. They only take 36 people. (by contract, 60% of spaces have to be given to NY residents)</p>
<p>^Absolutely not true. I don't have time to give you the research on it now because I'm going out, but I hate to see misinformation given to prospective students. There are no fixed percentages set aside in the contract colleges for NY State residents. In fact, they wecome geographic diversity. Gomestar, where are you? Please help me out!</p>
<p>From Uncle Ezra Column. Scroll down to point #3 (in red)</p>
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<p>*Dear Uncle Ezra,
I have a question concerning Cornell's status as an Ivy League School. According to definition,
an Ivy League school is a private instution, and part of some type of sports league which was established back in the day. These institutions include Brown, Dartmouth, Harvard, Yale, and Princeton. However, Cornell is made up of not only the private A+S, Engineering, and Architecture schools, but Hum Ec, Ag, and ILR. (Not sure about Hotel)Despite any notability they might have, they are significantly easier to get into for NY state residents, and cheaper as well due to their status as a public state school. Therefore,
isn't it true that these schools are NOT Ivy League? shed the light proud arts and science student</p>
<p>Dear Proud,</p>
<p>I too am proud of the College of Arts and Sciences undergraduates just as I am equally proud of the outstanding students in Human Ecology, CALS, ILR, Hotel, Engineering, and AAP, and the graduate and professional schools as well. Cornell University is a unique and wonderful place with many special qualities. I think, however, that you have several misconceptions about the university, including its status as an Ivy League institution, its admissions policies, and the caliber of our student body.</p>
<p>1) The Ivy League is an athletic conference. What sets this group of schools apart from other conferences is its adherence to the Ivy agreement, which most notably reflects common admissions standards and the absence of athletic scholarships. The Ivy schools are Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, and Yale. To learn more see Q11 from 2/18/03 posting. </p>
<p>2) Cornell University is a land grant university for the State of New York, so our mission is both public and private, which is one of the many unique features that sets Cornell apart from our Ivy peers. This standing also puts us in another elite group of other land grant institutions across the U.S.</p>
<p>3) At one time, Cornell University's contract colleges (Agriculture and Life Sciences, Human Ecology, and Industrial and Labor Relations) used residency as a factor in the admissions process. However, it is important to note that these colleges have always admitted the best students, regardless of residency. As the applicant pools have begun to shift and the university receives larger numbers of domestic and international applications, university statistics suggest that residency has actually become a non-factor in admission to these colleges. In general, the proportion of New York State residents who are admitted and enroll in these colleges is equivalent to the proportion of NYS students in the entire applicant pool. This has actually been the case for several years. </p>
<p>I hope this helps to clarify things for you. And that you, in turn, will have a newfound respect for all of your CU classmates.*</p>
<p>human ecology's PAM is also a good business program</p>
<p>Question here: would anyone here characterize ILR as a sort of business program? I got in fall '08 as a ILR GT, and I keep getting questions from family/friends about what exactly ILR is about (I know what it's about, but it's kinda tricky explaining it to them). Business? Human resources?!? I apologize if this comes across as being very ignorant, but I find it really hard to describe ILR's nature.</p>
<p>I always say it is kind of like "the psychology of business". I love saying that and always will...until I go and maybe find out otherwise haha. For now it is on my script...</p>
<p>Well, sorry to misinform you guys. The 60% rule was communicated to my college GC by the admission office when he was inquiring my AEM admission status. He must have been misinformed by the admission office then, I guess. Or it is an internal unspoken formula. Either way, just trying to help.</p>
<p>Cornell's undergraduate business program is Applied Economics and Management in the College of Agriculture and life sciences. The other business-like majors within other Cornell schools also focus on business, but with a particular slant. AEM is the true "business program." For example:</p>
<p>ILR = business with a labor economics slant
hotel = business with a hospitality slant
PAM = business with a law slant</p>
<p>They are all great programs, and what you choose is up to you entirely.</p>
<p>I'd like to add that AEM is the only accredited (AACSB) undergraduate business program at Cornell and, in fact, there are only two accredited business programs in the Ivy League (Wharton being the other one). You can also study Economics in CAS if you chose to study liberal arts. As the above poster stated, they are all great programs and will provide ample career opportunities.</p>
<p>AJKates is correct...</p>
<p>and as far as the 60% NY Residents for AEM...i think that's just b/c AEM is part of CALS...and you have a high % of NYers applying for AEM...</p>
<p>CORNELL as an ivy league is not as diverse as the princeton/harvard/yale...in terms of NY state residents...</p>
<p>If you are accepted into CALS, can you opt to major in AEM once you get in?</p>
<p>Edit: I found the answer to my question. You apply to a major.</p>
<p>" There are no fixed percentages set aside in the contract colleges for NY State residents. In fact, they wecome geographic diversity. Gomestar, where are you? Please help me out!"
I've been extremely busy as of late, my 2 jobs have me running at about 80 hours this past week. Actually, I have some info you might be interested in, but it's not public material and you don't have the dang PM! </p>
<p>"Question here: would anyone here characterize ILR as a sort of business program?"
It is indeed partially a business program, with many other parts. HR is one of them, as are departments like labor law, history, etc. It isn't fair to call it solely a 'business' thing or a 'HR' thing. I usually tell people it's similar to a business school, but with a few extra focus topics of which I'm doing org. behavior. </p>
<p>Back to topic:
All of my experience has led me to believe there's no set quota. In the past there very well may have been, but things have certainly changed, especially as of late. I would even argue that comming from an uncommon state is a very slight edge as "diversity" is becomming an increasingly important theme in higher education, and having 70% of students from one state is hardly diverse (<strong>wink, ILR, wink</strong>). Also, NY now covers less and less of the tuition for each student, so Cornell may be less inclined to admit as many NY state students. It is true that there is a very high percentage of students from new york and that this is mainly due to the applicant pool. </p>
<p>I may be wrong, but I believe that having such quotas is illegal. </p>
<p>Worry more about writing crappy essays and less about losing out to a NY State student.</p>
<p>Sorry Gomestar...
I feel strongly about not having "private messaging". As much as I enjoy the candor on these boards among the students... I don't feel comfortable with private internet conversations. I'm not there yet, maybe some day!</p>
<p>I'll keep my fingers crossed!</p>
<p>Gomestar: I know you are working 80 hours per/week, but if you have time, what do you think about starting a thread with the facts about statutory vs. contract colleges at Cornell. You have posted such salient advice and I think it's time for a compilation of all of that advice. I would be happy to add to it. I hope that AJKates would agree to add to it as well. We could request it to be posted on the Featured Discussions (and ask that The Real ED Date thread be removed!)</p>
<p>Edit
I meant to say Contract vs. Endowed.</p>
<p>that's actually a great idea. I have discussed the issue quite a bit with my boss in admissions and with a few professors. Believe it or not, the Wikipedia page on the topic appears to be spot on, at least in my experience. Unfortunately, I'd prefer not to cite that for a whole lot of info. Work should be clearing up in a bit, I'll contact a few people I know for some extra "scoop". </p>
<p>One question, Tahoe. I know you've mentioned a bit about your line of work (I won't get into it), but I'm wondering - are you registered with the NASD?</p>
<p>We're on College Confidential. I'm happy to discuss my two alma maters (undergraduate & graduate) in this forum, but I prefer to keep my personal and business life... well, personal! I know hedge funds have been getting a lot of attention in the media and you have expressed an interest in them, but this is not the forum for me to discuss my business.</p>