C. Davis Prescott Scholar?

<p>My acceptance letter says I am one of the Prescott scholars. What exactly is a Prescott scholar?</p>

<p>I am not eligible for fin aid. I plan to go to med school after 4 years</p>

<p>Will the Prescott scholar program helpful in anyway with my future plan? Can any current scholars, Eng students who intend to go to med school give any comments / advice on this?</p>

<p>I wanted to visit before I make a decision. Unfortunately due to a family emergency I will not be able to do that. Hence, I need to make a decision without visiting. </p>

<p>I narrowed my choice down to Duke & Columbia and eliminated other ivies </p>

<p>I am 16 years old .I would like to add that my parents are worried sending me to a big city like NY at this age. But they will reconsider if this indeed is a unique opportunity.</p>

<p>My son was 17 years old when he started at Columbia. He comes from a very sheltered suburban community outside a relatively small city. Given what my wife and I learned about Columbia and the modern City of New York, we were not a bit reluctant to send our son there.</p>

<p>Don’t worry about the big city, Morningside is an upscale neighborhood. And it is apparently a unique opportunity.</p>

<p>Why are you going to college at 16?</p>

<p>C.P Davis Scholar is one of the 4 (or maybe 3) named scholars that are a part of the Columbia Undergraduate Scholars Program (CUSP). The program is mainly for first years and is meant to be a service/community oriented facet of college education. It’s not helpful for graduate admissions and it doesn’t affect engineers very much at all, since the other scholars’ academic advisers are all from the CUSP office and engineering advisers are chosen by department, i.e by what you study. Overall, you must be a highly qualified student (top 10% of accepted students) to be chosen as a scholar but it’s mainly an admissions retention tool, in my opinion. The benefits are almost non-existent since no one really knows what scholars do and graduate schools don’t know what it means. Check WikiCU for a bit more information.</p>

<p>If you are premed, I highly discourage you from attending an engineering school. Remember that once you are an engineer at Columbia, you must fill out a separate transfer application in order to study humanities. I have several pre-med friends in the engineering school and they are miserable and want to transfer to CC. Remember that medical schools look at GPA and MCAT, and the advantage of engineering is marginal, especially since there are initial screenings based on GPA alone. The average pre-med GPA of someone from Columbia (CC and SEAS included) is 3.8. The overall average GPA of SEAS upon graduations is 3.2-3.3 and the overall average GPA of CC is 3.6 - 3.7. You will work harder in SEAS and be at a complete competitive disadvantage when it comes to attending medical school. Taking 3 History classes and Organic Chemistry is not nearly as difficult as taking 3 advanced mathematics courses and Organic Chemistry, so prepare to be challenged. Also, many CC students don’t even major in biology or chemistry. They choose to major in History, Art, or English in order to boost their GPA for medical school.</p>

<p>Furthermore, most SEAS pre-med students cannot complete the pre-med requirements unless they major in Applied Mathematics, a very challenging but flexible major. Many engineers have complained to the Applied Mathematics adviser about their inability to handle the curriculum. Given the advising at Columbia, there are almost no solutions but to tough it out for the next several years. </p>

<p>As for Morningside Heights, it’s generally a residential area of New York City. You’ll be 30-45 minutes away (via subway) from most major areas. The area is quite poor and is mostly filled with students and professors. The area this far north is considered Harlem by most individuals but Morningside Heights is incredibly safe. Walking alone on Broadway at 3-4 AM is safe but the next avenue over is much sketchier.</p>

<p>Overall, reconsider your options and remember that Duke University will have more options for student life. Think of what you want from you college experience. Duke is more rural and has campus spirit as well as a social scence. Duke alumni are some of the happiest in the United States. Also, Duke is must stronger in the biological sciences. I hope that helps. Being 16 and a C.P. Davis Scholar means that you are quite intelligent. I have no doubt you will succeed anywhere you attend but I hope that information helps.</p>

<p>Thank you for the detailed reply. I have a lot to think about. I am definitely going to med school. I like the concept of being a biomedical engineering background for medical education. Keeping good GPA is really important for me.
I will try to visit both schools (my uncle may take me). I just crossed off other ivies. I realized that I will not be happy /I will not be content over there. </p>

<p>The question of why I am going to college at 16 - I skipped grades when I was in elementary school</p>

<p>You won’t find biomed engineering that helpful for medical education unless you intent to go into research, and even then probably basic science research would be the main edge. Honeslty, I wouldn’t pick any major or even any course out of hope that it will help you in medical school. Get INTO medical school, maybe… Definitely recommend a bioethics or medical history course. Gives you perspective on the interview trail</p>

<p>I am not taking bio med eng. for the purpose of getting into med school. I am taking it , beacuse it will help my after med school( if I get into!) plans.
I hope to specialize in interventional procedures.
( My father is an interventional Physician)</p>

<p>I am interested in invasive procedures & developing cost effective interventional tools</p>

<p>I went over the biomed eng research topics in colleges I applied. Many programs are doing research topics which I am interested in.</p>

<p>If you’re intending to major in Biomedical Engineering, then Columbia is definitely not the place to do it. The department has been weeding out pre-med students by changing the requirements so that fewer classes intersect with pre-med ones, but the number of courses remain the same. That means you’ll need to complete 6 classes per semester to graduate with the necessary requirements to be pre-med.</p>

<p>I’m not sure about Duke’s requirements, but I know that they have the second best Biomedical Engineering program in the United States. As for being 16 in college, it’s not really a big deal. Everyone judges you by your maturity level and no one will automatically discount you for being young. Chances are, if you’ve been through high school and had friends, then you’ll have friends in college.</p>

<p>I looked into Duke BME requirements.
They have a pre med track on BME. Their course requirements are different from traditional BME students. </p>

<p>I never think about my age at all. But my parents worry all the time</p>

<p>If Duke has a premed track, then that’s probably the best choice if you’re interested in premed and biomedical engineering. Duke also gives you the ability to switch out of engineering if it doesn’t suit you, whereas Columbia locks you into engineering for the next 4 years.</p>

<p>You should tell your parents to chill out. College has a lot more freedom than high school, but all the C.P. Davis scholars I know didn’t use that freedom to party. They stuck to their work and tried to enjoy themselves. I’m sure you’re responsible and goal-oriented enough to get into medical school without your parent’s pressure.</p>

<p>Thanks .I am going to discuss all this with my parents .</p>

<p>beard tax - i wish you hadn’t said i’d highly discourage you.</p>

<p>so piggles…</p>

<p>1) the engineering school has a lower avg. gpa, but med schools know this, adjust accordingly, you will in the end have a fuller math/sci background that usually translates to other advantages (research, higher mcat scores).</p>

<p>2) cp davis is a great program, i was a fellow scholar (though one of the college designations), it is first a community of students you can get close to and at the uni even with a relatively small student body it is really nice to have smaller groupings of people to meet and form relationships (especially those that veer across academic disciplines), it means some extra funding as a student you have access to - summer internships, school year internships, some better advising, access to faculty associated with the scholar’s program - and perhaps most superficially it is an honor to have the title, not every student does it means you are considered to be truly an exceptional candidate for columbia (maybe not the smartest person in the world, but someone that fits columbia’s interests very well).</p>

<p>2) i don’t know what beard tax is saying about only being able to complete premed if you do applied math. - i know many eng students that are now in med school and came from all kinds of majors though most were chemical or biomed eng. in fact some majors give you all the sciences you need, and the core fills in some of the other necessities like a writing class, etc.</p>

<p>3) columbia recently shifted its advising for engineers and so they actually make it so that you will be advised by someone specifically trained to handle engineering students, and who work with engineering faculty, this means you have someone that knows how to help you fit premed within a tightly packed eng curriculum. beard is right that this was once a complaint, but by student demand they have made the change to better help students.</p>

<p>4) i think beard makes a good point on duke being well known for bio and it is more of a traditional collegiate campus, but i think saying you have more to do is a bit of an overstatement. if you want to do research - there is no better place in the world than new york city. you can do cancer research and sloan kettering, rockefeller university on top of columbia, cornell and nyu’s medical centers; you have pharma across the river, billions of dollars pumped into the city on a daily basis. on top of that, columbia is a small and intimate engineering program, as a cp davis scholar you’ll get strong connection with faculty to begin work early in your career. so if research is something you care for, getting a head start on your career, then you’ll have that at cu. on top of having a beautiful and vibrant campus, a safe neighborhood and the greatest city on earth. (check out my other threads, i talk about these other advantages a lot, and they are huge advantages.)</p>

<p>i appreciate beard’s responses, i think many are very helpful and clear, but ultimately he gives columbia a bit of a short thrift. in the end pick what makes sense for you…but consider, columbia wouldn’t admit you if they didn’t think you were right for the school. they see your potential. go to days on campus if you can, enjoy the experience, and meet some current cp davis scholars - i believe a few are working in biomedical engineering labs.</p>

<p>Thank you. You-(everyone who replied) -gave me two different perspectives so that I can make a very wise choice.</p>

<p>I think I will visit both places . I have already been contacted about some of the research opportunities at both universities. I will try to meet some of those faculty members/ Research fellows when I visit .</p>

<p>Now please, please tell me whether I should stay on waitlists of Harvard and othe ivy (that shall not be named )who put me on hold.</p>

<p>it is your choice, if you wish to attend harvard or unnamed school - i would stay on, but if (especially after visiting) you become sure that you want a columbia or a duke, i would remover yourself from waiting lists. you should consider that other students who perhaps have fewer options might be hoping/waiting for that opportunity. have other students in mind.</p>

<p>here’s hoping that columbia blows your mind and you join our merry gang.</p>

<p>As a Duke student, I can honestly say that I absolutely 100% love this place. It’s amazing and I wouldn’t trade it for Harvard. It’s got an amazing school spirit, the people are brilliant, and everyone knows how to have a good time.</p>

<p>I actually have a kid on my hall who is 16 and loves it. He hasn’t had any problems transitioning into college despite his age.</p>

<p>Coincidentally I just made this chart for a person choosing between Chicago and Duke. As Chicago and Columbia are very similar, let me provide it as sort of a guide with a few edits for life at Columbia. Also, I have a friend at Columbia who is having an ok time. Problem that I noticed when I visited him that would totally turn me off from recommending it to anyone: VERY little community. He didn’t even know half of his neighbors on his hall, let alone his dorm. It was very individualistic. </p>

<p>DUKE:
-Accomplishment focused: are you a person who is about the grade, the award, the goal?
Duke focuses on people who are about getting the job done, and done well.
-Community: are you a person who wants a tight knit school where everyone knows each other?
Duke has a strong communal feel where most people know 90% of their dorm and a ton of kids in their class.
-Campus: do you want to live on a beautiful, rural campus?
Duke has students housed on campus for three years, in one of the most beautiful campuses in the country. The gardens are unbelievably nice.
-PreProfessional: do you plan on going into law, business, or medicine?
Duke turns out incredible numbers for each field, as kids are focused more on a job after school then life as a professor. Top 5 Wall-Street feeder school.
-Frat Scene: are you a person who likes the idea of brotherhood/sisterhood and partying?
Duke has a strong frat scene in which most students seem to take part in one way or another. Joining a frat or SLG (kind of a co-ed frat concept but less preppy. More of a social club) is a major part of Duke life.
-Sports Fanatic: do you like sports, going to games, having a school spirit that incorporates athletic competition?
Duke has a strong athletic program in nearly every arena, obviously noteworthy in basketball. If you want to cheer for your school, Duke is the best place for you.
-Weather: do you want a warm to moderate climate?
Duke has warmer summers and mild winters, with most of the school year in incredibly nice weather.</p>

<p>COLUMBIA:
-Pursuit of Knowledge focused: are you a person who strives to learn more, even outside of the class?
Columba focuses on people who like to think about topics, ponder over them in their spare time.
-Community: are you a person who likes to be more individualistic?
Columbia has more of an individual feel to it. People tend to do their own thing and leave into the city for fun.
-Campus: do you want to live in a city campus?
Columbia is in the middle of a major city, however not in the safest neighborhood. Has its advantages (tons of stuff to do all the time) and disadvantages (less communal feel and less connection with classmates)
-PreProfessional: Medicine, law, business?
Columbia is similar to Duke in this regard. Both are very good (was in here because Chicago different- very PhD focused).
-City Scene: are you a person who likes to explore the city and party at clubs as opposed to with your fellow students?
Columbia nightlife involves a bus ride to down town to party, not really staying on campus.
-Sports Hater or Participator : do you love, hate, or feel ambivalent about sports?
Columbia as a student body doesn’t really care about sports. They are kind of just there.
-Weather: do you want a colder winter?
Columbia is colder then Duke, but not that bad. I personally like the southern warmth (its in 80s right now as opposed to 70s where I come from. </p>

<p>Either way, you’ll make the right choice for you. I personally love Duke and would love for you to come, but its up to you. Congrats either way!</p>

<p>My parents are busy on both Columbia days & Duke Days. </p>

<p>But my dear uncle has volunteered to take me for a visit. </p>

<p>I guess I will make a decision after I visit both places. Now I am split between two.<br>
Thanks Andy, for that clever list.</p>

<p>Right now I am not even sure Harvard can offer what Columbia & Duke & JHU can offer for a student like me with a specific interest.</p>

<p>come to columbia!
[YouTube</a> - Columbia University!](<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZG7gThoGME]YouTube”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZG7gThoGME)</p>