Sorry. Meant the industry. In other words, we’re the companies already there ?
Anyway we could agree to disagree on this one. I wouldn’t touch it 
I do think someone with a 3.4 UW may struggle in engineering anywhere but that’s why the major has a 40%+ change/drop out rate
My son wouldn’t apply to Mines and that was one of the reasons. If it’s Humboldt or be shut out, I’m going to Arcata. 
That’s fair and I don’t know the budget or other needs but there will be an ABET school, even OOS, where OP will get in.
You are right, the .3 bump at CSUF has not yet been announced for the Fall 2023 applicants so I am just going in the assumption that might do it again.
Yes we did apply to ASU (he did not get accepted for ME, but he did get accepted for his alternate major Robotics at their poly campus which is WUE eligible). So that’s a good backup option but he wants to stay close to home if possible. We also applied to U of Arizona and he was accepted as pre-engineering (but the price tag makes ASU much more attractive). You bring up an excellent point that a 3.4 student may struggle with engineering at any school. It would be so unfortunate to accept a lower tier school just so that he can get into ME and then he ends up switching to a different major.
This depends a lot on why he ended up there. How are his math skills? That’ll be the biggest rate limiting factor. Maybe a less math intensive engineering tech program would be a better fit.
He is one of those smart but lazy types. He is only in pre-calc senior year… so not great.
I had the same thought that you mentioned, maybe a less intensive Engineering Technology major could be good for him. At Cal Poly Pomona, that major doesn’t appear to be impacted. Sounds like salary and prestige for the Tech route is not as good. Does anyone know if Cal Poly Pomona looks at alternate majors? If so, we could apply ME first choice, and Eng Technology as second choice… that way he’s likely to get an admission even if it’s the backup.
That is probably the case, because it’s a less technical degree. That said, It still pays pretty well. Finding something he enjoys and can get through is the goal.
Engineering is hard everywhere. It’s just the nature of the beast. You can’t really water down Thermodynamics and Fluid Mechanics. If he needs some study and organizational advice, I’d highly recommend the book linked below.
https://www.amazon.com/How-Become-Straight-Student-Unconventional/dp/0767922719
There will be some less expensive schools friending upon how far he’s willing to go. Example UAH, Southern Illinois and more.
Closer a New Mexico, Wyoming, and more.
There’s no question engineering is tough but how bad does he want it ? To me the technology degree is a different world. If he wants that great. But if not and wants engineering then that’s what he should pursue. But he’ll have to grow up quick effort wise.
As my son and neighbor (his kid is at UTK, mine at Bama) - both kids say the business school kids have it good. They have time to party, etc. the engineers have a tough, but not impossible, workload.
Cal Poly Pomona is one of a few CSU’s which does consider alternate majors so it could be a good option.
Thanks for that information! I’m so glad to hear that CPP will consider the alternative major. Does CSUF also consider them? They are impacted in all majors so I am assuming they won’t… right?
No, CSUF does not consider alternate majors. Cal Poly SLO rarely considers alternate majors but in the past not in the School of Engineering. San Jose State does consider alternate majors if there is additional capacity.
https://amspub.abet.org/aps/name-search?searchType=institution&keyword=colorado%20school%20of%20mines indicates that the programs you are referring to are civil, electrical, environmental, and mechanical engineering. However, CSM had ABET accreditation for some other majors before that: chemical engineering, engineering physics, geological engineering, geophysical engineering, metallurgical and materials engineering, mining engineering, and petroleum engineering.
It is one thing for a school that is well known in engineering to drop ABET accreditation, versus another thing for a school with a new program that would prefer to have some form of external validation of the quality of its program.
Which is why Stanford (and a few other schools that have dropped ABET accreditation for some majors that they continue to offer) kept ABET accreditation for civil engineering.
All I know is every time I mention W&L as an LAC with engineering others dismiss it for Union or Bucknell or Swat or others due to its lack of accreditation which they state is done purposely.
Most engineering major course maps start in calculus 1. But he needs to have a strong knowledge of algebra, geometry, and trigonometry in order to do well in calculus 1.
After he completes precalculus, he may want to try the quiz at rurci3 to check whether he needs to review anything before going to college and taking calculus 1 (or taking the college’s math placement test).
With a 3.4 GPA, SFSU should be a safety, since neither the campus nor the mechanical engineering major is impacted.
I think there are degrees here. There are powerhouses that dropped ABET, little programs that can’t get ABET and new programs attempting to get ABET. Mines fell into the latter in 2012 and given the association with CSU and the other Polys, I think Humboldt will too, albeit without the same gravitas as Mines.
I get it but this is a top school. Go down 2/3 and you can read about accreditation and outcomes.
It’s just interesting to me everyone always says ABET or nothing and I get that.
I’m not saying I’d choose this school either. I just think it’s likely that they’ll get accredited. It is a risk though.
The WLU web page linked above indicates that they have not sought ABET accreditation (and it appears that they do not intend to).