<p>Hey. I was accepted into Cornell, and I'm real excited. AP tests are commin up in high school, but they cost 80 bucks a pop. I can take the Calc BC test and place out of 191 but I dont know if i want to. Someone tell me about 191 and 192, their level of difficulty. Will I be able to handle 192 if I can get a 5 on the AP test?</p>
<p>I'm taking calc again at cornell i think its called math 111</p>
<p>As far as i heard, you get one semesters worth of credits for a sufficient score on the AB, and two semesters worth on the BC. Does anyone know the specifics?</p>
<p>From what I remember, 192 didn't have much overlap from 191. In 191 you learn all of the methods of derivation and integration, most of which you won't see in 192. If you can do that stuff well, then 192 shouldn't be a problem. When I took 192 it covered everything from Infinite Series to Triple Integrals. Stuff like Green's Theorem and Divergence Theorem, which was in the last chapter of my calc book, was covered in 293. The rest of 293 is differential equations. That was back in 2001-2002 so I don't know if the format is still the same.</p>
<p>I would strongly recommend you to retake 191 instead of jumping staight into 192. Unless you are very confident about your calc, it would be a good idea to take 191. 191 covers the entire BC and 192 is all multivariable calc. When I was a freshman I jumped straight into 192. Even though, I ended up with a decent grade, it too up a lot of time. I don't regret to take 192 over 191, but if you want to make your freshman experience better, I would strongly suggest you take 191.</p>
<p>what should people taking AB calc right now take?</p>
<p>If you are going to be an engineer, you have to take 191. If you are anything else, you can place out of math111 with a 4 or a 5 on AB</p>
<p>well i'm a history major in Arts and Sciences. can i still take math 111 even if i get a 4 or 5 on the AP exam? i dont really enjoy math and taking a more difficult class would be pointless for me</p>
<p>No, you can place into 192. Also, you can take a Cornell administered test to place out of 191, if you'd rather not take the AP and still get credit for 191. I found that 192 was a good place to start, granted I took the calc bc and got a 5.</p>
<p>so you are allowed to NOT take the Ap credit, they won't force you into the higher level class?</p>
<p>if you get a 5 on your BC test and actually know the material really well, then skip 191 otherwise you'll find yourself poking your eyes with your pencil during class every day. if you are shaky with the material or not confident, then take 191.</p>
<p>do they expect us (especially engineers) to know integrals ??? all we did in high school (and i took all maths available) was up to differential math</p>
<p>integrals will become your next of kin if you go AEP</p>
<p>here's my situation...I have been accepted into CAS ED. I want to pursue a math degree but I sorta want to take the applied math route. I got a 5 on BC but that was last year and I didnt take any calc this year. Would it be detrimental to sit through calc again? Should I take 191 instead of the normal math sequence because of the applied route?
Thanks</p>
<p>Engineering and Integrals: integration is a fundamental concept that every engineer must know. Math 191 assumes you don't know how to do the material, although most students have already done some of it in high school.
Many freshman hate doing the repetitive work in calc courses but it is necessary to learn the language of math. You may understand an engineering problem in a physical way, but you also need to express it mathematically. I've used integrals in almost every course I've had (examples = physics, stress analysis, fluid mechanics, heat transfer, etc.).
What is annoying is that you aren't allowed to use calculators on the exams, so you have to do all of that annoying math by hand. Once you've proven that you have mastered that technique you can rely on computers to do the math for you in more advanced courses.</p>
<p>justinmeche, so i can assume uve taken math 191 at cornell? and shizz i dont know what next kin of aep means, but i think i have an idea. lol . Its just here in ontario, we dont do integration at all, i mean NOBODY in my school even knows wut it is (xept teachers) and my engineering friend at ontario university (queens) just learned some integrals his 1st semester at university . I guess US math is ahead of canadian?? justinmeche, u and every1 says the same thing, but i look that the course syllabus, and it shows like day 1, REVIEW of integration and differentation. so doesnt this mean they expect us to do it b4?? YET, i loook at math 111 just calculus alone, i see that alot of it IS review, its the eng. math that looks diff. like i have the prelim 1 of calc 111 right in front of me, and we did ALL THAT!! so im not calling u a liar or nething, its just u can imagine how confused i am. everyone tells me the math is the same. however the syllabus looks to tell differ, as well as isnt it different textbooks??!?!?!?! im scared ill be behind b4 i even arrive! lol, thanks guys for ur input</p>
<p>I just read the material at <a href="http://www.math.cornell.edu%5B/url%5D">www.math.cornell.edu</a>. The format of the courses have changed significantly since I took the calc courses in 2001-2002. Back then 190 and 191 were first semester courses that introduced limits, derivatives, and integrals. Now the web site says they are essentially second courses in calculus.
Sorry for the confusion. I guess I should do my research before commenting on material that is a few years old.</p>
<p>I'm with justin on that one too. I guess they changed the format of the engr math sequence. oops hehe.</p>
<p>"next of kin" was a wrong expression to use because im a moron and don't know English, but what I meant to say is you're going to be using a lot of the math you learn in those courses. stuff that you think you learned once that you think you will never use again ... you'll somehow use it again in you AEP courses. it's very math intensive, moreso than the other engr majors.</p>
<p>so yea learn the math and don't be afraid to take a lower level course. it's better to learn the material thoroughly for a second time than to skip ahead and get lost. after all, there is no rush.</p>
<p>somewhat scary thought ... you guys are recreating discussions I was in as a freshman in 1977 ... of course, our discussions were not on-line because we didn't have computers or electricity in those days.</p>
<p>lol, so i guess im unlucky, somehow between now and fall im goinna hafta teach myself all those integral stuff. i wish i could take math 111 then 191 (i mean wish that was the sequence) not fair that cuz im canadian i hafta learn on my own. and also not fair that even a MATH major or a PHYSics major which everyone says is pretty close to an engineering physics major gets to take the math sequence easier and slower. why is cornell expecting us engineers to know MORE math i mean we all go to the same classes as the math and physics majors in high school. Doesnt seem right to me, even if i was american</p>