<p>@dark, I will not change my language so that you can get over whatever stigma your little mind has decided to place on the words other people choose.</p>
<p>second, supporting non-whites is not the same thing as “discriminating against whites.” </p>
<p>I’m not going to acknowledge any more of the ignorance in this thread with extended effort on my part. if you want to be uneducated about the subject, that is your choice, but there is plenty of information about white privilege, affirmative action, and minorities in the education system in the U.S. for you to look up. if you can get onto a computer, I imagine you can read.</p>
<p>you are not supporting non-whites. Supporting non-whites would be paying for extra tutors in black communities, sending speaker to schools in predominately black communities, etc. Telling them oh you are less qualified then this other student (WHO WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT OTHER THAN HE IS WHITE) its cool your in, hes not.</p>
<p>well, @bear, you can be a dedicated student from a minority community and, unfortunately, not be able to control how good of an applicant you are. there are certain things that minority communities experience that white communities have the privilege of avoiding (or that white communities are even responsible for). white people don’t have the right to complain about affirmative action, by any means. if that’s what you’re saying then, yes, I totally agree.</p>
<p>you do not make a system, such as a college selection process, “fair” or “equal” by choosing individuals based on race, or any other subjective quality. Affirmative action is designed to benefit specific groups based on subjective characteristics(be it race, religion, gender, etc.). In a sense the UC system would be devaluing a specific group and raising the status of another group based only on a subjective characteristic, which is discrimination. You don’t fix an “unfair” system by reversing who benefits from the system, you fix the system by making it a system based on merit, by choosing people based on the same, comparable measurables</p>
<p>oh boy. as much as I would like to educate everyone on the matter of inequality in the education system personally, I simply don’t have the time for it. open a book.</p>
<p>bottom line you don’t combat inequality with more inequality. A private school has every right to do whatever they want in their selection process, but affirmative action has no place in a public school system</p>
<p>The problem with AA is that it’s based on race, not income. You can’t argue that a poor white student has experienced less hardship than a well off African American student. And I don’t really understand the argument that African American doesn’t equate to black. All blacks are not African American, but are you implying that African Americans are worse off than African immigrants?</p>
<p>@justine haha no, but do you seriously think a poor white person from say the inland empire is better off than a black person from say Newport Beach? A lot of what is perceived as racial inequality has more to with cultural and class differences than race imo. Not saying that there isn’t racial discrimination, but I don’t think affirmative action is the answer. Mainly because academic admissions should be based on academics, not race. Affirmative action also happens to be illegal in public institutions because racial equality is based on racial equality. Affirmative action tends to breed a negative perception of those who benefit from it among those whom it hurts (i.e. White or Asian students who have higher grades than some URMs).
Also, for example, many immigrants from Asian countries are dirt poor when they arrive, yet Asians are typically overrepresented in higher education because their culture equates education with success. Yes its a bit of an overgeneralization, but it is a stereotype for a reason. Now would you argue that there isn’t racism towards asians? No of-course not, but their success derives mostly from culture, not race, and racism doesn’t seem to be as big of a factor for them because it isn’t.</p>
<p>for some reason, some people seem to think that as soon as affirmative action is revoked, all the admission officers will start throwing out the applications of all black and latino students</p>
<p>this is just not the case. The reason that california experienced a drop in URM enrollment was simply because there were not enough qualified URMs. College admissions SHOULD be based on meritocracy and the only other legit exceptions should be made based on socio-economic status, not race. </p>
<p>In fact, colleges LOVE diversity; it looks great on their websites! They love saying how this year, 48% of the incoming freshman are students of color (ironically, now they decide to label asians as students as “color”) There is no need for AA because no college will ever DENY a qualified URM based on the color of his skin</p>
<p>Funny, I was actually discussing about affirmative action with my professor a couple of days ago when we were on the issue of racism. At first I also thought about how it would be unfair for lower-class whites when paired with a minority person if affirmative action is used. My point was completely valid but the professor points out that I was neglecting how we are actually in a racialized system. If the system was truly fair, then we wouldn’t even need to consider a program like affirmative action. The standard used to admit students isn’t overtly racist, but it is rather covertly racist (which means that no discrimination are actually involved). Just because the admission process is color-blind doesn’t mean the problem isn’t there; as a matter of fact, it is really just turning a blind eye to the social issues. The sort of racial diversity we see in the UC clearly reflects how certainly groups are definitely being neglected.</p>
<p>Affirmative action, I guess, is an attempt to bring balance by giving advantages to minorities group that otherwise weren’t given the same chances in life. Of course, as we can clearly see, this sort of obvious “discrimination” doesn’t play well with people ( or rather “white” people and everyone engulfed in the “white” culture. Actually, another major problem is that rather than trying to nurture them, affirmative action is like just handling out admission; which, of course, is the easier approach). Affirmative action definitely has its flaws in trying to be fair, which is primarily why it is banned now. But I just think a lot of people are overlooking the real issue that affirmative action is trying to correct so this is just some food for thought.</p>
<p>CPSLO’s demographics are weird looking in other ways – Asian American students are actually underrepresented relative to the state of California, despite CPSLO’s large percentage of engineering students.</p>
<p>wow no offense but thats ridiculous UCtransfer. You do realize that Asians are the highest growing applicants. In fact, they are the majority at every single UC school besides UCSC and UCSB. Asians are most definetely not being left in the dark. Blacks, on the other hand, are represented by, on average throughout all the UC campuses, average out to 3.6% at each school. Hispanic :17% white:31% Asians:38%. So I disagree that asians are being left in the dark… Also the UC schools use affirmative action to make thier campus more diverse, because it looks more attractive to recieve government funding, more applicants, etc. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing is for another discussion. </p>