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"Cambridge has had more nobel laureates that any institution in.the.world."</p>
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<p>Actually, most 'classes' in Cambridge are 1 on 1 with your professor. These sessions are called tutorials anc you could end up arguing your case with a Nobel Laureate who has written mulitple papers and books in their field.</p>
<p>Great choice aw5k. I'm sure you'll love it. One of my close friends is off to Kings next year. :)</p>
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"Cambridge has had more nobel laureates that any institution in.the.world."</p>
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<p>There are many things in which Princeton is better than Cambridge, but I'm afraid this isn't accurate. If there are any institutions in the world that make sure that most of your tutorials are not conducted by teaching assistants or graduate students, it's Oxford and Cambridge.</p>
<p>Oh, btw, concerning Princeton's aid: my parents aren't too poor, they earn quite well, but we're not rich or so. I would certainly have to pay more for Princeton than for Cambridge (ca. 20,000 $ per year).</p>
<p>oooh kings, nice, bit too far on the liberal side for me though (just kidding!)</p>
<p>I'm doing a levels in maths, further maths, biology, chemistry and economics at the moment, and if i go to cam, will be studying economics and emmanuel (the best college, by far) :p</p>
<p>Abhi08544: you have shown a complete misunderstanding of how oxbridge learning works. Firstly, you do not study 'courses' you study 1 course, i.e. what subject your degree is.</p>
<p>You learn in lectures-one professor talks to everyone studying for that paper, for an hour and then you have 2-3 hours of tutorials a week, 1:1 or 1:2 teaching sessions of a hour with an actual fellow in the college, not a phd student or assistant.</p>
<p>Oh and to who asked: cambridge term officially starts on 2nd October (or there abouts) but freshers normally come up 5 days before that. If you google cambridge term dates you can see the official dates :)</p>
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I guess most people on <em>this</em> board will think so, simply because they <em>know</em> how hard it is to get into HYP. They are involved with this admission process and know much more about the US admission style. Statistically, about 25% of applicants are admitted to Oxbridge, while the numbers are about 10% for HYP.
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I think it is easier to get into Oxbridge because admission is based mostly on grades, so you only need excellent grades and you are in (and you can actually predict that you are likely to be admitted). For HYP, you need the grades and test scores AND ECs, awards, and so on.</p>
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and world leaders Princeton's produced(Albert Einstein, to name one...)
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Abhi08544: you have shown a complete misunderstanding of how oxbridge learning works. Firstly, you do not study 'courses' you study 1 course, i.e. what subject your degree is.</p>
<p>You learn in lectures-one professor talks to everyone studying for that paper, for an hour and then you have 2-3 hours of tutorials a week, 1:1 or 1:2 teaching sessions of a hour with an actual fellow in the college, not a phd student or assistant.
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I know that they study just one subject in UK.
Even if classes are taught by actual fellows, still Cambridge can't match the focus P'ton gives to it's Undergraduates. Nobel laureates at P'ton devote most of their time to the undergraduates(graduate student body is quiet small). No univ in the world can match that.</p>
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I think it is easier to get into Oxbridge because admission is based mostly on grades, so you only need excellent grades and you are in
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Who told you that? Sorry, that's really absolutely wrong. It <em>is</em> right that very good grades are <em>essential</em> (i.e. people with not so good grades are unlikely to be accepted). However, all applicants to Oxbridge (really: all) have super grades, perfect ones (Germans for example need to have at least 1.3). Yet, only 1/4 are admitted. They do look for passion, motivation, etc. in the interview. I can assure you.</p>
<p>awk: Obviously you will have to attend Cambridge because Stanford and P'ton haven't accepted you, yet. I still can't get the logic if these two threads.</p>
<p>Abhi, I can't get the logic in your last post. *** are you trying to say? "You can't get the logic if these two threads" - hmm? And I have to attend Cambridge because Cambridge hasn't accepted me?</p>
<p>Regarding the Princeton thing, there is a quite interesting article written by a Princetonian who went for an exchange year to Oxford (the education style at Oxford can be compared to Cambridge): <a href="http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2006/03/15/news/14875.shtml%5B/url%5D">http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2006/03/15/news/14875.shtml</a></p>
<p>aw5k, you're talking as if princeton has already accepted you.</p>
<p>Abhi, I totally sympathize with your confusion over the purpose of this thread...</p>
<p>Albert, sometimes it's necessary to decide beforehand which university you want to attend. What good is it to put effort into an application that you are going to turn down at the end anyway?
To be more precise: if I considered Princeton, I would need to apply for financial aid. That's connected with a considerable amount of time. However, if I already know that I don't want to go to Princeton, why bother in the first case?</p>
<p>How the hell could you choose between Stanford and Cambridge when you have been deferred by Stanford.
If the aim of this thread was to show that you are choosing Cambridge over Stanford and Princeton, then sorry: Stanford and P'ton don't need you, at least yet.</p>
<p>AW5K: However, if I already know that I don't want to go to Princeton, why bother in the first case? </p>
<p>Exactly what I meant... there's no purpose to this thread</p>
<p>Why don't we leave the opinionated justifications behind and look at the stats. Obviously Princeton ranks number one in the United States and Oxford is the Princeton equivalent in the UK. Cambridge comes second. I also find it silly how much posters have degraded Princeton or Cambridge and vice versa. Truth to the matter is, is that both unversities have renowned respect and prestige throughout the word be it in Asia, Europe, U.S. etc. Inshallah I agree with your post, and indeed many factors need to be taken in consideration when appointing which one is the best. However, according to <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3561-2389106,00.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3561-2389106,00.html</a> neither Oxford, Princeton nor Cambridge were appointed the number one position of best University, in fact it was Harvard who redeemed the top spot, then Cambridge and Oxford round out the top three.</p>
<p>Actually I was pretty neutral at first but after spending 30 minutes reading at the furious debate between pton supporter and cambridge supporter, I feel that cambridge must be one heck academic institution. </p>
<p>Sorry abhi, I think your arguments regarding princeton being a better college academically than cambridge is lacking.</p>
<p>oh yeah about stanford stuff, I know someone, who is academically not very great (his class rank is about #50 out of 500)but has great ECs activities who got into stanford. So comparing US and UK admission is really like comparing apple and oranges. </p>
<p>In the UK, you gotta be really talented academically and very focused on one subject to be accepted, whereas in the US, anyone with some sheer of luck, great writing ability, connection to great letter of recommendations and some modest academic talent can get anywhere.</p>
<p>look guys, both of them are great..and it is just stupid to start fighting about this..</p>
<p>and btw kunfuzed101, that timesonline article is about the universities..not just the undergraduate program.. harvard is considered the best university, but Princeton (although 10th in that ranking) is considered to be the best undergraduage university(at least in US according to USNews)..it is the only IVY which focuses on undergraduates and thus has an awesome undergrad program..
the article itself says something about underfunding of the Undergraduate program in Oxford..</p>
<p>so, Princeton is one of the best(if not the best) in the the undergraduate program.. so, princeton fans, don't worry about that article..</p>
<p>This bickering is pointless......</p>