<p>Well, just to clearify my point(so that it does not trigger another ROW), it is my personal opinion that p'ton is one of d finest engineering school..and this point is in agreement with many....
And I am a fan of Cambridge as well!!!....
If I were given the RAREST of all and the most wonderful CHOICE to choose between Cambridge and p'ton...Well, IMO, I would hav chosen BOTH!!!(and it can b done by exchange student program...or transfer..)..;)..</p>
<p>The Shanghai Jiao Tong ranking of world universities in engineering/CS is a joke. For example, it ranks Imperial College London and ETH Zurich respectively 27 and 28, below Penn State (!!) at 6. In fact, how reliable can be a ranking that places Penn State and Maryland above for example Carnegie Mellon and Caltech for engineering/CS ? I suggest you use the THES (London Times) technology ranking instead (top 20 are reproduced below).</p>
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[<em>] Massachusetts Institute of Technology
[</em>] University of California, Berkeley<br>
[<em>] Indian Institutes of Technology<br>
[</em>] Imperial College London<br>
[<em>] Stanford University<br>
[</em>] Cambridge University<br>
[<em>] Tokyo University<br>
[</em>] National University of Singapore<br>
[<em>] California Institute of Technology<br>
[</em>] Carnegie Mellon University
[<em>] Oxford University
[</em>] ETH Zurich
[<em>] Delft University of Technology
[</em>] Tsing Hua University
[<em>] Nanyang Technological University
[</em>] Melbourne University
[<em>] Hong Kong University of Science & Technology
[</em>] Tokyo Institute of Technology<br>
[<em>] University of New South Wales
[</em>] Beijing University
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<p>is there anyway to see the full THES rankings by subject without having to pay. I've had a quick look but could only get to the subsription services for the TES, and i'm a stingy bugger so wont pay. :)</p>
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<p>They have a free 14 day trial.</p>
<p>Why is it so hard to believe that there might a school in the world that is better than HYP or Oxbridge?
I don't know much at all about NTU; but it is definitely bigger than HYP, so it might well have more students that are as smart.</p>
<p>Americans with C's can get into Yale and Harvard Business School.</p>
<p>^if they have the last name Bush .</p>
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U hav 14 days free trailer..;)...
whatever it is...I dont trust THES much.....
and as for NTU....who said that it is ''better'' than HYP??????????
NTU's admission criteria is way way way different from US...(based only on academics to b specific)..</p>
<p>I highly doubt the THES rankings. They seem to have an Oxbridge bias judging from their article:
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UK academics make a big impression in the global arena, trouncing the US high-flyers</p>
<p>Because peer review accounts for 40 per cent of a university’s possible score in the World University Rankings, the top universities on this criterion tend to be highly placed in our overall table as well as in this one. Here we see the top ten universities in the eyes of academics around the world.</p>
<p>It shows that Harvard University, the top institution overall, is beaten comfortably by Cambridge and Oxford universities on this measure. Its score of 93 out of a possible 100 puts it only just ahead of the University of California, Berkeley, which is often regarded as its biggest rival.
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<p>Berkeley is Harvard's biggest rival? ROFLMAO :D</p>
<p>1 2 Cambridge University UK 100 79
2 3 Oxford University UK 97 76
3 1 Harvard University US 93 100
4 8 University of California, Berkeley US 92 75
5 6 Stanford University US 82 85
6 4= Massachusetts Institute of Technology US 81 93
7 16 Australian National University Australia 72 30
8 22 Melbourne University Australia 72 44
9 19= Tokyo University Japan 72 29
10 4= Yale University US 72 81</p>
<p>Well, they probably concluded from their OWN ranking then......</p>
<p>Yeah, and I wouldn't consider Cal better than MIT overall. On some counts, yes, but...er. Rankings are essentially meaningless after a point, I feel.</p>
<p>Rankings are not perfect and they can change depending on what weight is given to each criteria. As far as they go the THES is the best in my opinion but it definatly seems to have an oxbridge bias.</p>
<p>As someone who is applying to both oxford (u cant apply to both oxford and cambridge in the same year) and HYP i think that i can safely give an unbiased opinion.</p>
<p>I was rejected from Oxford to study Maths and Philosophy, whilst I realise this may seem harsh (especially since I got 42 on IB and was predicted 44), I now realise it was for the better. You see Oxbridge is the place to go if you really know what you want to do. </p>
<p>I have now decided that I really don't want to study Maths (at least not alone) at university. The liberal arts system at HYP etc. are FAR more welcoming to someone as confused as myself.</p>
<p>Oxbridge had been my dream for a LONG time until now. Now my dreams have changed.</p>
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And to whoever said Princeton's undergrad is the best in the world, I just don't see how you can make such a sweeping statement. You are comparing an institution where much of the close-contact teaching is done by TAs and grad students to an institution where every student spends atleast 2 hours a week with only one other student being taught by someone who is at the forefront of their field.</p>
<p>I don't want an argument over which is better, they are so different any blanket, statement becomes completely void, and as shown on this thread, is often made by someone with very little knowledge of oxbridge.</p>
<p>And to whoever said something about p'tonians helping the poor and all that jazz... firstly, UK high school summer breaks are 6 weeks, compared to say, 10, in the US, so much less time for trying to 'change the world' and secondly, who pays for these life-changing missions? The rich middle-class parents who know that it wil look just fab on their kid's application. Most of these activities amount to nothing more than being great for application material, their 'research' account to little more than assisting in a lab; UK students do what they are interested in, and not some faux, empty EC just to fill up the boxes on their application.
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<p>Ironically, while you accuse everyone of not knowing enough about Oxbridge to comment, what comes through from your post is that you don't know enough about HYP to comment.</p>
<p>Having had a significant amount of close contact with profs and students at Princeton; having sat in on lectures and tutorials/recitations, I can tell you most are taught by full professors. This is for the simple reason that there are almost no grad students at Pton, thus it would be difficult to fill the place up with TAs. The only way I can then make sense of your statement is by assuming that you're saying that Oxbridge is mostly taught by TAs and the like... otherwise, you're clearly ignorant of the facts of a Princeton education.</p>
<p>I find it absolutely arrogant, close-minded and pompous of you to dismiss what most students do of their own free will as just activities to "fill up the boxes on their application". You are obviously deluded in one way or another. The vast majority of students do the vast majority of activities because they enjoy them, and for no other reason. Do you even read the crap you spew? "Rich middle-class parents"? Do you not see the inherent contradiction there?</p>
<p>Moreover, while belittling in a single fell swoop what many committed American students do with their time, you are on the other hand suggesting that British students only do what interests them? Are you kidding me? Yes, I'm sure they all enjoy taking A-levels etc. And frankly, I'm going to say that I'd rather have a student who helped out for a good cause involuntarily than a lazyass git who sits on their ass watching TV all day, but does so voluntarily.</p>
<p>LadyLou, I think before you make any more comments about Princeton, you should seriously re-evaluate your (lack of) knowledge about its educational system and the students who attend. You'll notice that in this post I made almost no statements about Oxbridge; to do otherwise would be foolish - I don't know enough. You would be well to take my (and in fact your own) advice, and stop commenting about Princeton.</p>
<p>P.S. Some food for though - my school sends about 10-15 students to both HYP and Oxbridge each year. We're an IB school, and according to our guidance counselors Oxbridge is significantly easier for our students to get into. Take that as you will.</p>
<p>Oh no, someone has awakend this monster-thread...</p>
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<p>I can second that.</p>
<p>You really can't compare the two as the universities look for different qualities in a student when selecting them.</p>
<p>"Why do most of the Brits, Indians, Japaneses, French and German think that getting into Cambridge, IIT, Tokyo, Ecole, Heidelberg is more harder than getting into Harvard?"</p>
<p>They are called Japanese, and more harder is grammatically incorrect.
Its just "harder"</p>
<p>"Yeah, and I wouldn't consider Cal better than MIT overall. On some counts, yes, but...er. Rankings are essentially meaningless after a point, I feel."</p>
<p>umm
i think ill agree with that
but Berkeley might be the most significant Univeristies in the world when it comes to certain sciences and scientific inventions.</p>
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<p>Well, according to the Wikipedia</a>, there are actually 1,975 graduate students at Princeton, which is more than enough to "fill the place up with TAs". Having said that, I believe that most Princeton classes are taught by full professors, as it is the case BTW in most top US research universities. The idea that full professors in America don't teach undergraduate classes is, for the most part, "urban myth".</p>