<p>SATI: Math: 690, Verbal 690 (Combined: 1380)
SATII: Math IIC: 740, Writing: 800
GPA is about 92/100
lots of clubs, no varsity sports
school doesn't rank, it's a public vocational school - #1 HS in the state
white
female
NJ</p>
<p>Thanks for the help.</p>
<p>From the looks of these boards, your SAT I might be a sliver low. A girl was denied with a 1380 from EA. If I were you, I'd try to get into the january SAT (not sure if it would be too late, email your adcom). Also, do you have an estimate of rank? Do you have legacy?</p>
<p>my school doesn't rank at all, because i have only 58 kids in my class, and so the highest GPA would be like a 97, whereas mine's a 92, so i'd be below a bunch of 93-100 GPAs. the ranking system wouldn't work so my counselors don't do it at all. i don't have a legacy either. can't get into the january SATs, so i guess i'll just cross my fingers. i wish they used SATIIs over SATIs.</p>
<p>You have to keep in mind also that it's harder to get in EA than regular... the average SAT/ACT goes down from EA to regular. Personally, I got in EA with a 1410... my ACT was 33 though. Sand your SATIIs if you want... I did, and they were really good. Everything helps!</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
<p>You want hope? Here's a little bit of hope for you.</p>
<p>I got in with a 1320 SAT I EA.</p>
<p>Did you have legacy/athlete tlak?</p>
<p>No, I am not legacy nor an athlete. Or a URM for that matter. I'm Asian. Def. not URM.</p>
<p>At ND, anything but white is a URM (6.5% Asian)</p>
<p>Congrats tlaktan. No offense to project86, but it really bothers me when people discuss legacy or race as a reason for admittance to ND. My d had a good friend who was black/Afro American (I don't want to offend anyone) who was admitted. She intentionally left the race slot blank so no one could say she was admitted because of her race. Looking at only stats, belittles the accomplishment of a student who is accepted.</p>
<p>I've said it many times on this board in previous posts, ND looks at the entire student, not just at stats. Essays, recommendations, extracurricular activities, especially service oriented activities - play just as much a role in the decision as stats. Tlaktan, I'm sure your all around package indicated you would be a success at ND and you don't need to defend your stats or anything else. </p>
<p>I think comparing stats is dangerous business and always carries the possibility of hurting someone. List your stats if you think it will help someone respond to your post but please try to stay away from negative comments about someone's stats, especially if they have been admitted.</p>
<p>No offense taken. Legacy and race are never the reason for admittance, but they can be considered "hooks". ND would never admit a SATI 970, top 60% that had legacy, that is true. If all things equal were between two students, one with legacy and one without, and ND or any other school only had one spot, the legacy student would get it. I don't know how much ethnicity plays a part in the admissions process at ND, so I apologize for mentioning it.</p>
<p>Thanks for not being offended project! :) I agree with you that if two students have identical stats, a legacy is going to have an advantage - absolutely. But even a legacy needs supporting documentation along with stats. I guess what I'm saying is even legacies have to have the qualifications that ND is looking for in it's future class but if all is equal - advantage: legacy. Only 20-25% of each class consists of kids who are legacies - that's 75-80% who are not legacies. </p>
<p>I posted the first response because I saw a lot of comparing stats last year for all colleges, especially top rated schools. If someone was accepted that had lower stats than someone who was deferred or rejected, someone always posted the question about being a legacy. I always felt really bad for the poster who had been accepted as it was easy to imagine how he/she would feel when coming back to read messages. My d was not a legacy so please don't interpret this as I am defending a student who is a legacy.</p>
<p>The great thing about ND is the support the students offer to each other. Although the competitive spirit is still there, it is not at the level of high school. For example, in high school, it seemed like everyone knew each other's grades. At ND, my d didn't know what fellow classmates got on tests or papers. If it was discussed at all, and it rarely was and usually only if another student was a good friend, they simply asked each other, did you do ok? And the answer was yes/no versus a "I got a 96, what did you get?" The competitive spirit rests in the individual - did they do the best they could do. I hope that makes some sense.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments and explaining your thoughts.</p>
<p>Theirish, my son's in engineering/comp sci and they all know each others' test scores, (but they do all support each other). I don't think they're being competitive when they ask - just curious - and trying to figure out what their grade will be after they're curved ;) Maybe it's a guy thing, because I mostly hear him saying what other guys scores were, guys like his pals in the dorm.</p>
<p>Hi Docmom! I'm glad you posted as I didn't mean to make such a generalized statement. My d came from an extremely competetive high school - GPA's had to be computed to 1/10,000 to determine class rank. After tests, there were students who cared more about what other students in the class had versus their own test. She hated that. She has found the supportive atmosphere at ND a breathe of fresh air - to actually study and work together with other kids so they all can do well on tests. </p>
<p>It may be a First Year Studies thing as well since the students haven't declared their major yet and are taking classes in many different areas. When there was peer review on papers in her First Year Composition class, she was amazed at the honest and supportive critiquing that took place. She has had little experience with curved grades and I can tell you, she definitely likes that curve!</p>