Can I get into U of M??

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<p>@pat1120</p>

<p>Your point? I was referring to the massive amount of data that is taken from the school’s website, as well as their own users. If the vast majority of students with his scores are getting accepted, then it would be a flawed to presume that the school is “out of reach”. </p>

<p>@nubswitstubs</p>

<p>URM are certainly worth considering. But let us consider that at least half of the people with OP’s scores would have to be a URM in order for it to be plausible to argue that the OP doesn’t have a shot.</p>

<p>I go to a very white public school in Michigan, and I also have access to naviance. People with OP’s scores have either gotten wait listed and then accepted, or accepted right away. That’s no surprise. Michigan has a 40% acceptance rate, and leans heavily to students that are in-state.</p>

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<p>Michigan had an acceptance rate of 40% in 2011 teskeyben. You are looking at old data.</p>

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<p>Cappex is out of date and is known as having very misleading and/or inaccurate data (specifically with the scattergrams). I just wouldn’t use it. The most recently accurate information for Michigan Admissions is that they accept only 33% of their freshmen applicants, of which, the middle 50 percent of accepted students had a 3.7-4.0 unweighted GPA and a 29-33 on the ACT or 1990-2230 for the SAT. </p>

<p>I agree though that Alatter does have a decent chance, but it’s mainly due to Michigan’s admission philosophy which emphasizes GPA and course rigor above standardized tests. Still, Alatter should try to raise his score. As it is right now, it will most definitely catch the admissions officer’s eye considering how below average it actually is. Needless to say, that’s not a good thing.</p>

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Being a URM does not affect admissions. It did prior to 2006, but Michigan has since changed their policies due to a change in the state constitution. They no longer practice affirmative action in admissions.</p>

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<p>kronomega, regardless of whether or not UM officially practices affirmative action, I assure you their criteria for URM are lower than other applicants.</p>

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<p>That’s literally one of the definitions of affirmative action, which is illegal for Michigan to practice under the Michigan Constitution. Considering that only 5% of Michigan’s student body is African American compared to 15% of all Michigananders and 13% of the rest of the US, I wouldn’t say there’s much evidence to support your assertion.</p>

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<p>Thank you for the correction. Although, only the acceptance rate is outdated out of what i brought up.(the scattergrams are updated yearly.) And the latest common data set actually indicates an acceptance rate of 36.55%. That’s 2012-2013.</p>

<p>The scattergrams are misleading and inaccurate? What do you mean? Perhaps you mean that there will indubitably be a shortage of people reporting rejection from any given school?</p>

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I actually was basing my information on information much more recent than the common data set. The acceptance rate for 2013 was 33% with approximately 48,000 applications. This does bring up an important point though. Alatter is actually going to be applying in this next admissions cycle which by all expectations is going to be even more competitive then this last one. I would expect that only 29 or 30 percent of applicant will be accepted next year based on the current trends.</p>

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<p>kronomega, do you honestly think that just because it’s technically illegal, UM would not find a way around it? think about how difficult it would be to actually prove in court that UM was practicing affirmative action. do you also think employers don’t discriminate against minorities during hiring processes since that’s illegal as well? by that logic, men and women must also make equivalent amounts of money if they perform substantially equivalent equal work. if you’re truly foolish enough to believe what you posted above, then you really need to open your eyes to the world around you.</p>

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<p>Unless the UM baseball coach wants you or you have two dozen relatives that are M alums, you have a 0% of going to U of M. It’s quite obvious your GPA is the product of a sub-par school system, system-wide grade inflation (and likely some jock sniffing teachers), and non-rigorous coursework. And your excuse, “I’m not a good test taker” …just… wow.</p>

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Yea, that’s exactly what I mean. Besides the fact that the data is old, people are simply much less likely to report rejection than they are acceptance, especially when that person feels that they were sufficiently qualified. This makes it seem much easier to get into an institution like Michigan than it actually is. In fact, if you just look at the number of dots in the accepted and rejection portions of the scattergrams, there are more acceptance dots than there are rejection dots. Now in all honesty, I’m not completely sure what Cappex could even do to address this issue, but it doesn’t change the fact that it is extremely misleading.</p>

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Absolutely I believe it because despite what you just said, it would be extremely easy to catch Michigan if they were lying about it. Sure it’s true that it would be very hard to prove in court that there was discrimination at a business that conducts interviews and where almost everything is subjective. It’s much easier to prove discrimination when you have a very specific listing of objective numbers which are then almost used exclusively to quantify the academic quality of any particular individual. All you have to do is FOIA the admission stats broken down by demographics. I can guarantee you that either someone in the admissions department or the office of budget and planning has at one point done that analysis in the last 7 years. Boom, done, that’s it. Believe me, If Michigan had been lying about this and someone was able to show it, the republican led legislature would have been calling for President Coleman’s head on a pike. If you want to prove me wrong, go ahead. Call me old fashioned, but I’m not going to believe your random conspiracy theories without you giving any evidence whatsoever.</p>

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<p>Agree with the above, some people over judge the chances me threads. No one knows but the admissions officer…</p>

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<p>Ok, so I do know a white male from Michigan who had a 25 ACT because timed tests gave him trouble who graduated from Umich in May with my son and who has been accepted to grad school. Just sayin’:wink: however, statistically, that doesn’t mean a thing.</p>

<p>He also did not directly attend UMich, but transferred from a community college.</p>

<p>Which brings me to a useful point for the OP – there are many roads to attending Umich. And there are many variables the adcoms consider. Statistically, that 25 will undoubtedly put you normally into the bottom 5 or 10 percentile of the applicant pool. But here are the other considerations that can add weight to your candidacy:</p>

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<li><p>What you did with what was available to you – eg at some hs in mich, 25 Act would be the highest in terms of score, (i know this to be true in one hs in my city) and if that’s true in your case and your GPA rank is in the top 10% then you will be looked upon favorably.</p></li>
<li><p>Challenges overcome, including SocioEconomic Status (SES) – since the court case, Umich’s reader/app scoring metric has changed from adding “points” for being a URM to instead adding points in a category relating to SES and challenges overcome. So a strong GPA like yours is a little “more” meaningful if it comes from someone who worked 20 hours a week to help his family get by, etc etc. or if you’re first generation for college etc.</p></li>
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<p>In this way, Umich forms its class diversity, which it aims to be socioeconomic in nature as opposed to old school URM-selective in nature. The idea behind it is that a hardworking kid in an underfunded public school without the means for ancillary educational advantages can still have a shot even if they haven’t had oodles of test-taking coaching for the ACT and they’re the product of an environment that’s less supportive or even hostile to education.</p>

<p>Lots of folks feel this “holistic” approach to assessment is “unfair” “compensatory” or otherwise offensive to the notion of meritocracy, but in actual fact it’s just using a different albeit more complicated and less objective metric to assess the quality and promise of a candidate.</p>

<p>So, a student with a strong GPA but marginal test scores can and occasionally will be admitted to UMich, particularly if other factors align to indicate the overcoming of obstacles and the potential to bring diversity in terms of SES, culture and outlook to the class makeup.</p>

<p>Really strong essays can contribute to the reader’s “sense” of you, so bear that in mind during your application and be as authentic as possible.</p>

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<p>The acceptance rate for 2012 was 37%. For 2013, it is 33%. Having an ACT score 4 points below 25% will require a miracle in something to get in. It is simply too far away from being marginal. If you notice, the whole mid 50 range is also 4 points. If it is not for recruitment, it is near impossible.</p>