<p>31 ACT=HELL YEAH!!!
3.1 GPA=AWWWW!!!! (freshman gpa only 2.1, 3.5 soph and junior year)
CLASSES: AP PHYSICS C, AP BIO, AP STATS, AP PSYCHOLOGY, AND HAVE TAKEN AP CALC AB(5 on test), PREVIOUS YEARS NEARLY ALL HONORS
ESSAYS: WELL WRITTEN, AMAZING, AND ENTERTAINING (like me)
RECOMMENDATIONS: HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THEM, GOT 3 (I hope they like me)
EXTRACURRICULARS: A FEW, BUT NOT MANY, (i could tell you, but i would have to kill you)
OTHER: 1ST GENERATION STUDENT (if that matters) AND WHITE (go white people)</p>
<p>I take it your 3.5 GPA (Michigan only looks at 10th and 11th grade) is unweighed. If that's the case, Michigan is a reasonable reach. If it is weighed and your unweighed GPA is significantly lower, Michigan is an unrealistic reach.</p>
<p>Ouch. 3.25 will most likely put Michigan out of reach. Your ACT and course sellection are good, but I fear they will not make up for the GPA. You lose nothing by trying, but do not trust to hope.</p>
<p>Although my top school is Michigan State University, I'll be most likely applying to University of Michigan- Ann Arbor in case I don't get accepted ( and ofcourse another or so back up school out of state). </p>
<p>Doesn't seem like good news for me, I did very well freshmen year... and but not better sophomore year. To know freshmen year will be erased, I wonder how much will my GPA on their grading scale lower.</p>
<p>Coolbrezze, admission for MSU is a joke compared to that of Michigan. If you don't get into MSU, then you are very unlikely to get into Michigan. To put things in perspective, MSU came to my school to do on-site admissions, and everyone who applied got in, including many students GPAs in the range of with 3.0-3.2. I'm not saying that you won't get into Michigan, but if you're choosing between both schools, then MSU should be your backup, not UMich.</p>
<p>To the OP, I didn't notice that your Soph/Junior year GPA was 3.5. Since Michigan only looks at those two years, I'd say that you're not very unlikely (as I had previously said), though your chances are still slim. I'd say that only those with a GPA that lies within 3.8-4.0 are safe, though course selection changes things a lot. For example, my IB school yearly sends kids with 3.5-3.6.</p>
<p>Yeah many people say I got the schools in the wrong order, but Michigan State University as many advantages over University of Michigan- Ann Arbor... such as their large campus atmosphere. Sometimes it may seem like University of Michigan- Ann Arbor campus is a little clog... but I actually never visted University of Michigan- Ann Arbor in person.
I know Michigan State University isn't an Ivy League, but to know that half of your graduating class is attending the same school as you, would you say that's sorta a turnoff?</p>
<p>I find it to be a lot, really not a big deal attending a university with a graduating class that put effort and did well in school. Although to know many slacked off, not fun at all.</p>
<p>Coolbrezze, I find much of what you say to be incomprehensible. Half of your graduating class goes to Michigan, so you don't want to be there? It is hard to imagine that half of your graduating glass gets in to Michigan, while a significant number do not also go to MSU. That would be highly unusual. I also don't understand how you can think you might not get into MSU, so UM will be your back up. Not likely to happen. And the fact that you repeatedly make pronouncements about the quality of the campus atmosphere in Ann Arbor compared to MSU, when you have never been to Ann Arbor is very strange. I don't know why, but it bothers me that you never seem to learn from any of the posts that respond to yours. Are you really interested in college, or just passing the time?</p>
<p>Fredmar I have no ideal on what your trying to come across. If you read the post listed before yours I mention... it's not a big deal attending a university where half your graduating class put effort into their work and did well in school, but to know many are slackers... thats a turn off. Fredmar I'm not asking you to agree with me on this situation/ prefrence.
I've came to know many students ( private, absolutely won't give out names... in case you insist on such) who've been turn down at Michigan State University, but accepted into University of Michigan- Ann Arbor ( it happens).
Yes I've made comparisons to Michigan State University and University of Michigan- Ann Arbor, and I've stated that I've never been to the school ( so readers, you for example... can know this is my perspective from not visiting the school). Though base off what I know/ observed I came to such conclusion.
I'm glad that I get responds to my post and actually understand their point of view, and I would assume many understand mines as well. Then to say if I'm really interested in college or just passing by, that's unnecessary and out of the question.</p>
<p>Cb, I'm afraid you are most definitely confused, and on behalf of other posters, I'd like to assist you in reaching a point of clarity about why other posters are responding to you like this and why you might want to investigate your assumptions a little further. Under no circumstances at any time in recent history has "half" of any graduating class been admitted to the University of Michigan Ann Arbor...in fact, U Mich has a specific policy around this...so I can only assume you're referring to Michigan State, where that phenomenon is entirely possible due to its more attainable admission standards. To be clear, UM looks for candidates among the approximately top 10th percentile of any graduating class provided the school has a proven track record for success at UM.</p>
<p>While both UM and Michigan State are indeed state schools, and while Michigan State has a number of interesting programs not to be dismissed, Fred is correct that comparatively, University of Michigan is very very very rarely a "safety" selection for anyone, including valedictorians from East Grand Rapids, a schools where the AVERAGE ACT score is over 25.(Ask one who applied too late two years ago.)
What seems to be bothering people is your apparent lack of respect for the fact that there are many National Merit caliber scholars waiting on pins and needles right now "hoping" to get into UM as their match school, while you are regarding their desired and rightfully selective choice as your "safety" compared to a school (Michigan State) that has considerably, and I mean CONSIDERABLY lower general admission standards.</p>
<p>So, with your stats, you should disabuse yourself of the notion that UM is a "safety" and if you really really really want to be selected you should prepare yourself to respond to a <em>possible</em> deferral with a 4.0 senior year in the toughest courses you can take, throw in a few dual enrollments and win a few awards, and write the ACT again with a goal of 33+. In the happy circumstance that you get in without first being deferred, then celebrate and thank your guardian angel because there are 18,000 other souls out there who will not.</p>
<p>I'll assume you nor fred took the time out to read where this conversation/ blog started about the schools. When mentioning half of my graduating class getting accepted, I was referring to Michigan State University, and why I have second thoughts about the school ( taking the time to write out all that, you probably have/ had enough to directly know what I meant by all of this etc...). I think University of Michigan- Ann Arbor is a great school, and that's why its listed second on my list ( after Michigan State University). Ofcourse many high achieving students probably get angry when they hear University of Michigan- Ann Arbor is someones back up school. Although I'm sure many high achieving students at Michigan State University get angry when they hear their school is a back up. Where you mention lack of respect, have no clue where you assumed that from. Although from what you wrote, Merit Scholars etc... at Michigan State University are also probably not so happy, when their school is a second choice. University of Michigan- Ann Arbor is not the only school with Merit Scholars, and high achieving students either. Seems like your saying all would be okay if Michigan State University is my back up school instead. Really no need for me to explain, so I'll stop explaining so much here.</p>
<p>I'll also assume you didn't read the original question to this thread, which is clearly not mines nor my stats listed on here... which makes it even more clear to me that many on this thread are reading what I wrote wrong.</p>
<p>Yes, it was unclear in your writing-- which I did in fact read-- that you were referring to MS re: grad class. I am sure this is what made your comments incomprehensible to Fred. UM is many people's "second choice" but never a safety. I don't think anyone was criticizing your choices, just your bemusing reference to UM as a "safety." The point was that it is not a comparative safety or backup in any way, a point you seem to have resisted accepting for reasons you've chosen not to share. I also mistook you for being the first poster with the iffy UM stats later in my comment, for which I apologize. If you took the care in reading my comment that I did take in yours, you will notice I was referring to the selectivity index of the school, which frankly you don't need a discussion board to corroborate. Just read the back of your ACT scores if you selected UM and MS as preferred schools.
Cheers</p>
<p>I agree with kmcc, but my comment was also reacting to your unfounded comments on several threads about Ann Arbor's campus. I guess I take it personally as an alum, but even if I weren't so sensitive, I don't appreciate sweeping statements about a campus being too big, or too clogged, or whatever from a person who hasn't ever been there. UM -Ann Arbor has a beautiful, classic, vibrant campus - universally regarded as one of the best college towns in the country. It might behoove you to take a drive down the road and give it a look before you make any decisions or make any more comments about it. Nothing personal. Just encouraging you to get the facts. Fred</p>
<p>I've made it very clear in my writing that I was refering to Michigan State University acceptance etc.... Also there is no excuse to attack my comments or anyones when they refer to a school as safety. Michigan State University is my first choice, and University of Michigan- Ann Arbor is my second.... second choice, safety it's just about all the same. I didn't write my opinion how you like it? That's not surprising because I'm writing as Coolbrezze, not anyone else. I like big schools, and yes I did describe University of Michigan- Ann Arbor clog base from what I observed, and if you have a problem with people's observations to the point where you need to jump on their comment... that seems to be a personal issue. Even after the poster even mention this is base off not visiting the school, to clearly make reference that their opinion can change after a visit. I'm sure Ann Arbor is a good city, and I think University of Michigan- Ann Arbor is a great school... that's why it's my second choice. If I didn't know any better, I would think you two are just posters waiting to attack on comments.</p>
<p>Northwestern is my second choice, I might not even get in.</p>
<p>Safety implies you are absolutely certain you will be admitted.</p>
<p>And your writing was not "clear" that you were referring to UM either. </p>
<p>"I know Michigan State University isn't an Ivy League, but to know that half of your graduating class is attending the same school as you..."</p>
<p>That's a total non sequitur and I think that's why it was confusing. I'm not trying to hop on the bandwagon of attacking you via an internet forum because that's just silly, but just saying I think it's understandable that people got confused with the half of your graduating class part, because I did read every post and I also thought that was what you meant.</p>