<p>Anyone who is considering a large school like NYU or UCLA but has average test scores and grades should consider applying to canadian schools. Canadian schools are relatively easy to get into and fairly cheap. The university of Toronto is a big(and I mean big ass) school but it has an international reputation in a variety of areas and was the home to Marshal Macluhan. McGill is also a good choice and is probably on par with schools like Penn and Cornell in terms of prestige while having the admissions standards of NYU. For less qualified applicants many of Ontario's smaller universities have incredibly low standards of admission outside of engineering. If you don't mind Canada's mildly anti-american climate then Canadian schools offer a good value for your money.</p>
<p>Just out of curiosity, which university has higher prestige in the U.S: University of Toronto or McGil?</p>
<p>canadian weather isn't anti-american! it's anti-every1 not from russia!
(except maybe victoria, bc)!</p>
<p>oh n ppl call mcgill the harvard of the north if that helps... about the fairly cheap thing... canadian unis r dirt cheap dude compared to some intl student fees in some "not need blind" places in the us... plus there's much less paperwork involved in applyin 2 canadian unis... kinda straightforward in their approach</p>
<p>Hey, I'm a Canadian who is looking at US schools... If you are an American looking at school in Canada, yet want to have your career (or attend grad school) in the states, you would probably want to confine yourself to UToronto or McGill, for these schools have an international reputation. The Richard Ivy School of Business at the University of Western provides an internationally recognized undergrad business program, ranked as among the best in the world. And yes, Canadian Universities largely publically funded, and are thus very cheap compared to US schools, (considering the exchange rate as well).</p>
<p>McGill has the most US students of any canadian school, I believe. Though UBC and U of T also have a good deal of US students. I haven't found the climate to be too anti-american (and I'm a McGill student).</p>
<p>In Canada U of T carries higher prestige, but in the US McGill definitely seems to be the university most people recognize. And the interesting "Harvard of the North" reputation carries through a lot of the US. </p>
<p>And creative_name, UBC also has a good reputation, at least on the west coast of the USA :) </p>
<p>The applications are quite simple, no essays, no letters of rec, just your grades and your test scores, pretty much. </p>
<p>I'm a freshman science major at McGill and I'm loving it so far.</p>
<p>There are two misnomers with calling either Toronto or McGill the Harvard of the North: neither are nearly as selective as Ivy League institutions - they'll let anyone in with an ~85% average from your top six college-level courses (unless it's Engineering or Business), but weed out the bottom portion later on once they've enrolled. Additionally, Canadian universities are publicly funded, as opposed to being privatized like Harvard. A better name would be the Berkeley of the North.</p>
<p>I'm from Toronto. In my opinion, both U of T and McGill are excellent schools. FYI, McGill has the most Rhodes scholars than any other Canadian university. I'm applying to U of T and McGill. They both have every competitive and excellent science programs.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
<p>How expensive is tuition when you're from US to go to McGill or any other colleges you know in Canada? Do they take extra international fee?</p>
<p>If McGill is the most competitive school for Canadians, how is it so easy for Americans to get in?</p>
<p>Actually, flopsy... the second most presitgious business school is Schulich School of Business...they take 90%+, Richard Ivey at Western is even more competitive</p>
<p>NorthWestLover:For international student going to McGill, tuition is $8,763.00 - $15,000.00 CAN (Depending on program and courses selected)</p>
<p>-Check this out:
<a href="http://www.mcgill.ca/applying/fees/%5B/url%5D">http://www.mcgill.ca/applying/fees/</a></p>
<p>Vinzzy: Who said it was easy for Americans to get in?</p>
<p>patience is a virture,</p>
<p>chrisscarre - "Anyone who is considering a large school like NYU or UCLA but has average test scores and grades should consider applying to canadian schools. Canadian schools are relatively 'easy' to get into and fairly cheap." </p>
<p>flopsy - "There are two misnomers with calling either Toronto or McGill the Harvard of the North: neither are nearly as selective as Ivy League institutions - they'll let anyone in with an ~85% average from your top six college-level courses"</p>
<p>can u guys tell me more about BC, toronto, and mcgill? hows the environment at each school? what are each schools' academic strengths, as in which programs/majors are they known for? how are their reputations internationally? how is their undergraduate teaching like? </p>
<p>if u did have the choice between the three compared to NYU and UCLA, which one would you choose? thanks</p>
<p>flopsy - "There are two misnomers with calling either Toronto or McGill the Harvard of the North: neither are nearly as selective as Ivy League institutions - they'll let anyone in with an ~85% average from your top six college-level courses"</p>
<p>In Canada, grade inflation isn't as high as in the U.S. 85% is a very good mark. only the top10% of students at my school gets above 90% and virtually none above 95%. It's not like a lot of the HS in U.S where ppl get 97% really easily. I've seen this person on this board who have a 104%. ***. In Canada, 80-100% is considered an A.</p>
<p>pimpcess05 - I think chrisscarre means climate as in attitude, not as in weather.</p>
<p>Too bad you would have to live in Canada :p</p>
<p>Nothing wrong with living in Montreal!</p>
<p>"In Canada, grade inflation isn't as high as in the U.S. 85% is a very good mark. only the top10% of students at my school gets above 90% and virtually none above 95%. It's not like a lot of the HS in U.S where ppl get 97% really easily. I've seen this person on this board who have a 104%. ***. In Canada, 80-100% is considered an A."</p>
<p>Exactly. There are probably 10 people out of 650 in my grade who have an average above 95%. Not to mention you are all getting 90s in all your AP courses. We are getting 80s in regular courses, not because of you being smarter, but because of inflation. Add that to the rigour of the IB program (in my school anyways), which imo is much more difficult than AP because it is a <em>program</em> whereas AP is just classes. Back on topic now.... </p>
<p>"kfc4u can u guys tell me more about BC, toronto, and mcgill? hows the environment at each school? what are each schools' academic strengths, as in which programs/majors are they known for? how are their reputations internationally? how is their undergraduate teaching like?" </p>
<p>UBC- Many people from my school go there for engineering/science. There are loads of international students (from Asia especially) because it's on the Coast. It's known as a party school - it does have it's own beach - but then again, uni is what you make it. Good scholarships for IB Diploma holders... I'm sure they have something for AP.</p>
<p>McGill- Very diverse. Known for being very international as well as having large medicine and law graduate faculties. First year residence is apparantly amazing, as they have a new building - a hotel which was turned into rez - complete with ballroom & leather chair-furnished study hall. Environment depends on where you are... undergrad/grad/rez/montreal/clubs/apathy... because there are so many options (they have an excellent Model UN program though - I've been to their conference twice - amazing!). Not to mention that the buildings are connected to the underground city so that the international students don't have to even go outside during the cold. Plus Montreal is beautiful.</p>
<p>UofT- Personally, I would hate to live in Toronto (smog!), and thus haven't researched UofT at all. My account would not be valid, and thus I leave you to someone else. </p>
<p>Overall, Canada is a great place for university. It might be cold in winter, but we have no guns and publicly funded education and health care... :)</p>
<p>wow bummer for me, i have an IB diploma (UBC) and i love model UN (mcgill). but i do like my southern california sunshine =D</p>
<p>Hey Guys what do you think about the university of waterloo?</p>