<p>Thanks for the replies, though there's no need to argue ;)</p>
<p>How is pass/fail judged? Would failing 1 or 2 events cause you to fail the entire test, or would you still be able to pass even in that case? And is a fail just that regardless, or do they take into account how many you were able to do?</p>
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<p>I think what GA meant was that there was a pass/fail cutoff. USNA also awards whole person points based on the level attained on the CFA. Ann, please please limit your comments to USMA. Your misinformation in what USNA does could possibly cause serious harm should some candidate take you at face value.</p>
<p>Wow - this forum has changed over the years.</p>
<p>According to information that is presented by each of the academies every year (ie presented by their admissions departments at an all academy evening and distributed to candidates and high school counselors within our state) the whole candidate scores are computed differently for each academy. This is what is provided:
USMA: 60% academics, 30% leadership, 10% CFA score
USNA: 67% academics, 33% leadership, CFA pass/fail
USAFA: 60% academics, 40% leadership, CFA pass/fail
USCGA: 60% academics, 40% leadership,
USMMA: 75% academics, 25% leadership, CFA pass/fail</p>
<p>USNA69: To me pass/fail implies just that - the requirement is to pass. Like a drivers license test - you either pass or you fail and if you pass you are qualified. From the information I have provided above, the CFA is not overtly computed in the whole candidate score by USNA, USMMA and USAFA, whereas it counts for a full 10% of the USMA WCS . My intent is not to provide misinformation. If you have information that disputes this please post it so we can all learn from you.
You have questioned my integrity a few times in this thread. I assure you that I have no reason to spend time misleading candidates.</p>
<p>Ann: In no way am I doubting your integrity. I know that you believe whatever it is that you are saying about USNA, even though it is incorrect and may be disasterously misleading to a Naval Academy candidate who heeds what you state. Very few people understand the complexity and intracies of attempting to learn the admissions processes of a single academy. I applaud your effort in attempting to learn two.</p>
<p>Here is what the current USNA catalog states in bold print:</p>
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<p>While USNA may not "overtly" assign a fixed percentage, when the record goes before the Admissions Board, they will assign a final Whole Person score. They add and delete points as they see fit. One of these areas of addition/deletion is, as per the catalog, in the CFA. The CGO will advise candidates, even though they have passed, whether or not they need to retake the test.</p>
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<p>Ann, I am curious, as you always seem to provide a lot of good information here, what your connection to the USMA is?</p>
<p>Are you a parent? Candidate? Graduate? MALO? HS guidance counselor? </p>
<p>In other words, where are you getting all this valuable inside information? </p>
<p>Is it available to everyone, at some source we may not know about?</p>
<p>Ann,</p>
<p>Honestly I had never seen that information before. We never had those "Academy Days" available to us. The only admissions presentations my daughter and I went to were solely sponsored by USMA.
We went to two of those and the information was very detailed and as you state above for USMA.
Perhaps, I just "assumed" all along that USNA assigned 10% of the WCS to the CFA. I really don't recall any information from the application or her BGO explaining a breakdown.</p>
<p>Regardless - scoring the CFA is a mystery. It is meant to be a mystery. The Academies will give you Maximums and Averages. Strive to do your very best. Don't pick a cold day in January and don't take it when you have a cold! ;) . I think that most kids who are varsity athletes in an aerobic sport - soccer, basketball should be able to get a decent score with a little practice for technique.</p>
<p>Agreed - advice to all candidates regardless of the academy they are applying to is "do your best", and follow official instructions (early is always good).
Luigi59: I post on this forum as a parent</p>
<p>"How is pass/fail judged? Would failing 1 or 2 events cause you to fail the entire test, or would you still be able to pass even in that case? And is a fail just that regardless, or do they take into account how many you were able to do?"
For USMA, candidates need to pass all every event in addition to attaining an overall passsing score.</p>
<p>Same for USNA.</p>