<p>So I really want to get a degree in Entertainment and Tourism, but I cant afford a 4 year degree not even in my state. Even if I do have financial aid it still wont be enough and its impossible for me to get a private loan. I cant get any scholarships since I have been out of school for almost 2 years and Im just now getting back into school. Right now Im taking pre-nursing classes at a community college so I can get a 2 year degree in nursing. I dont want to do nursing and I dont care about nursing,but the only 2 year degrees that are worth anything are ones in healthcare. I know I wont be able to get a job doing anything else with a 2 year degree. I know empolyers these days barely value a 4 year degree and that Masters and PhD's are what employers really value. So what do I do?</p>
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<p>This is the wrong section for this type of question. The “Cafe” is just to post random crap. You want to be posting in the “College Search” or “Financial Aid” or one of those boards.</p>
<p>It may not be exactly what you want, but if you transfer to a 4 year university and major in something lucrative (economics, engineering, etc.) you may be able to afford to take out loans. Graduating $30,000 in debt isn’t that much of a big deal if you’re making $50,000 at an entry-level corporate position.</p>
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<p>While getting yourself killed in Iraq would technically solve the problem of paying for college, it’s not exactly ideal.</p>
<p>Not everyone dies in the military. It has its good points.</p>
<p>Military is the poor mans draft. Sorry to say it. </p>
<p>If you would please post what State U you have at your disposal. I find it hard to believe you cant get Stafford loans. While the Subsidized Stafford is need based, that can be taken care of by you being emancipated from your parents. Once this occurs you are considered a Independent and your parents finance will not be taken into consideration. You will then get the full subsidized Stafford amount. Since you will not need your parents anymore, your parents will not then be required to file for a Plus Loan. You can then get a Unsubsidized Stafford loan. You will also get a sizable Pell grant as well as local state grants(NY=Tap). Perkins loans are also a option and you may even get SEOG and may qualify for EOP.</p>
<p>Good luck. Note there are other ways to become independent.</p>
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<p>We are middle class. My son has a full tuition scholarship. He also wants to enlist with the Marines and go to college on the GI Bill/PLC program. I tell him to go to college on his scholarship and then join as an officer. He still wants to join right away.</p>
<p>Just to play devil’s advocate here - Do you really need a degree to work in “Entertainment and Tourism”?</p>
<p>I don’t have a clue what an “Entertainment” major does, but I suspect that if you get some entry level job with promise of advancement in that field and spend some time in the library you could get what you need for, as Mr. Will Hunting said, $1.35 in late fees.</p>
<p>*military IF you would like to be in the military. using the military for the sole purpose of paying for college is not wise, IMO.</p>
<p>Calling it the poor man’s draft is a rather broad and inaccurate statement.</p>
<p>Don’t even think about the military as a means of paying for university. You can’t go to university if you’re dead.</p>
<p>Personally, I wouldn’t join the military even if they were paying 8 figure bonuses. My personal safety is much, MUCH more important.</p>
<p>Noting how the majority of the areas in Iraq are safer than many streets right here in America, I would say the Military is a viable option.</p>
<p>Don’t even try Dr.Horse. Many of the kids on this board are so far left they don’t know what’s right…</p>
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<p>When I graduated from college, there was one guy getting his PhD in Leisure Studies.</p>
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Good thing there are enough Patriotic Young Men who are willing to put the safety of their family, community, country, and kids like you, ahead of their own personal safety.</p>
<p>You talk like there’s something wrong with putting my safety ahead of that of others. There isn’t. Without self-interest, capitalism would collapse.</p>
<p>I don’t think I’ve seen any car bombs lately in New York City. Nor is New York City a war zone.</p>
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<p>Enlightened self interest vs selfishness.</p>
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<p>There are rules for capitalism. One of them is to protect the system. Protecting yourself without rules is called anarchy.</p>
<p>And putting my life at the hands of some corrupt politician sitting on his ass in Washington is enlightened? Please enlighten me. :rolleyes: You’ll have me believe that signing a contract that makes you essentially cannon fodder is enlightened? No wonder this country’s going down the tubes.</p>
<p>As I’ve said before, every government service I use or even services I don’t use, I paid for with taxes. I have no “debt of gratitude” or some other BS to repay, unlike some jingoist politicians or some other jingoist civics teacher would have you believe. I owe society and the state nothing. Society and the state owe me the services I’ve paid money for. It’s that simple.</p>
<p>Get real. Society can’t exist without the individual.</p>
<p>So apparently, in your world, it’s in my self interest to run out in front of a bus travelling at 90mph to save someone else’s life. :rolleyes: Sorry, I’m more than willing to help people, but not at my own expense. Will I hold the door open for someone? Absolutely. Will I rappel down a cliff, risking my own life, to save someone who fell off said cliff? You bet your ass I won’t. Will I run out onto a busy highway to save someone who’s been hit by a bus? You bet your ass I won’t. And I’m too cynical to protect the system ahead of myself.</p>
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<p>Your obligation to your country is not just your $'s. Which is why there is the Draft in times of true need. BTW: Be glad you don’t live in Switzerland or Israel where 2 years of military service is compulsory.</p>
<p>Just remember: Over the 230+ years of our Country’s existence, a lot of MEN have died to secure YOUR liberty to be a schmuck.</p>
<p>Don’t join the United States military. A military exists to DEFEND its country, something the United States hasn’t done in over 60 years.</p>
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<p>Ah, blind jingoism at its best. Sorry, if things truly get desperate enough to need a draft, I’m out of here. I have no obligation to the state, you or anyone else. Notice I refer to the government as “THE state”. Last I checked, I don’t own this land, this isn’t “MY country”. Unlike you, I don’t believe that I’m a slave to the state, nor do I believe that I have some kind of god-given, unwritten “obligation” to the state, nor am I blindly loyal to anybody. I’m not staying behind for anything, defending anything, or anyone other than myself and my immediate family. This is a purely economic arrangement. I pay the state taxes, and it does things for me. If it’s not convenient for me, I have the right to unilaterally terminate said arrangement at will and initiate an arrangement with someone else, and will have NO SECOND THOUGHTS about exercising said right. There are 200 countries in the world, plenty to choose from.</p>
<p>Social contract? What contract? I never signed any contract! And if I did, I was under 18 when I did so, or my parents did without my consent, so it won’t hold up in any court of law, civilian or military. Produce me proof that I signed my life over to the state. Oh wait, you can’t because I never did.</p>
<p>And now I’M A SCHMUCK because I choose not to be a blindly nationalist sheep? :rolleyes: Oh Boo hoo, Operadad thinks I’m a shmuck. Like I care, **** off. I’d be more than happy to give you my standard line, but last time I did that I got a warning for it, so I won’t.</p>
<p>Funny how the people that are okay with forcing young men or women against their will to go get themselves killed in the War of Aggression du Jour are the very people ineligible to be forced against their will to go get themselves in that War of Aggression du Jour, stand to profit from said War of Aggression du Jour, or declared the War of Aggression du Jour in the first place. To all politicans: you’re not 5 year old children, act like it. And stop bombing people because you don’t like them.</p>
<p>…but you just stated you would support neither your country nor your government, if you did not believe it would personally benefit you.</p>
<p>I don’t live in a “me-ocentric” world, in the sense you have described. If I always had fun, but never helped anyone in a meaningful way, I’d consider myself a failure (but that’s just me). I don’t mean this as a criticism–just pointing out that others have very different life goals and values.</p>
<p>What’s this “my country” you speak of? I don’t have a “my country.” There’s a reason I always refer to it as “the country”, or “the state”, or some other nonpossessive form. I do not possess a country nor does a country possess me, unlike Operadad would like me to believe.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t support/help ANYONE or ANYTHING if I didn’t derive some kind of benefit from it and if said benefit didn’t exceed the cost of doing so. I help people because I derive enjoyment from it, not because it betters the world. Unlike some on this board, I don’t make emotional decisions.</p>