CAP21 Ending? A Message from Dean Campbell to CAP21 Admitted Students

<p>By the way, Elizabeth Bradley is not the Dean. She is the Chair of the Department of Drama. Yes, she came from CMU’s Drama program. She was there for seven years. </p>

<p>The Dean of Tisch is Mary Schmidt Campbell.</p>

<p>actressmom, where did you hear that rumor? It seems that whomever told you that is making huge assumptions based on obviously faulty information. Liz Bradley was not at CMU when they had a cut policy. This is the kind of rumor/hearsay that should be stopped in its tracks if people do not have confirmation from the source.</p>

<p>^^^Agree with post 42. That kind of rumor is likely false speculation. Already it is mixed with errors in fact as if Liz Bradley was bringing a cut system from CMU which did not have a cut system under her tenure (thus she must not support a cut system and Tisch never has either!) and already it is mixed with calling Ms. Bradley the Dean which she is not. Kinda reminds me of the telephone game. :D</p>

<p>I can picture this telephone game going like this:</p>

<p>JOE: The newish Tisch Drama department head came from CMU. </p>

<p>SCHMOE: Yeah, doesn’t that school have a cut system?</p>

<p>JOE: Yeah, I think…I heard they do. Or maybe they used to?</p>

<p>SCHMOE: That means Tisch is now gonna have one too!! </p>

<p>JOE: Hey Larry! Guess what I heard?</p>

<p>:rolleyes:</p>

<p>The reason I posted was because I heard these rumers and I thought it was a good idea to get it out there so it could be discussed. I am not starting rumers I have stated that I have no facts to back this up! It was my mistake that I mixed up the dean with the head of tisch. But it does sound like they are getting rid of the studio system. Which was a rumer I heard a while back and it is now becoming true. Its better to get all this out there now and try to find out the facts so there won’t be further confusion and I am counting on all of you out there that have more info than me to get the facts straight.</p>

<p>I just worry when rumors are stated on a public message board without facts or confirmation as then the rumor (which is often false) gets spread. But thanks for saying it was a rumor in the first place. </p>

<p>I also don’t see how one can say they are getting rid of the studio system. There are currently 8 studios. Six of these are contracted out and two are run by Tisch (ETW and Meisner). Now, Strasberg and CAP21 contracts will be ended and a new studio run by Tisch taking the place of those two studios. That leaves seven studios…four external and three internal. Ya know, even the internal ones such as ETW and Meisner studios are still STUDIOS!</p>

<p>PS, I do not have further information than you but just voicing my understanding of certain facts and expressing opinions.</p>

<p>I really don’t want to start any rumors I just wanted to know if any one had more info. I did get this info from a insider but I cannot reveal who. That person may not have the correct facts but this is what I was told. The new head of Drama who comes from CMU went to some of the productions at the various studios and felt that the talent was not consistant. She wants NYU to have consistant and higher standards for all admitted students. She felt that if it was all controlled by Tisch the students would get much better training. The only way to do that was to not have outside studios. The cut rumor was most likely not true. But I did hear it and I should not of put it out but I did say it was heresay. I am sorry if it upset anyone.</p>

<p>Wow, PLEASE everyone, do NOT start rumors about NYU Tisch instituting a cut system. There is absolutely NO reason whatsoever to believe that this is true and what we do NOT need is baseless rumors flying hither and yon. </p>

<p>As soozievt says, there is absolutely no reason to believe that NYU Tisch is doing away with the “studio system.” Indeed, NYU is <em>creating</em> a new studio of its own within Tisch and at the same time, ending its contract with the Strasberg Institute and with the Collaborative Arts Project 21. It seems to me pretty clear that the school intends the kids now in CAP and Strasberg to move over to the new studio when their primary training is done, and finish their training in the new Tisch MT and acting studio.</p>

<p>Re: post 47…
I actually see some benefits to Tisch having control over studios that are valid. Tisch has high standards and it has less control if they don’t administer or teach the programs. I know of one show at each of these two studios that were not on par with all other shows that I or my own kid have seen the past four years on various stages at Tisch.</p>

<p>I also would hope that a program wouldn’t judge whether a kid deserved to be cut or not on the basis of a performance in ONE show. That seems unfair to me.</p>

<p>Not Mama Rose I said the cut rumor was a rumor so why are you still upset? First of all you don’t really know whats intended for Tisch you are just quessing like the rest of us. Tisch is ending all its outside studio associations thats what I know. I do not know what they are doing in the future or how they are reconfiguring the studios within Tisch . If anyone has info I would love to hear it!</p>

<p>NMR…the cut topic/rumor (which I HIGHLY doubt) is unrelated to the couple of performances/productions that were not up to the typical Tisch production standards. </p>

<p>Actressmom, I don’t see ANY evidence of doing away with studios. Tisch had 8 studios (six external and two internal, and now will have 7 studios (four external and three internal). That is not doing away with studios but there is a shift in who is administering certain studios. But even ETW and Meisner which Tisch administers, are STUDIOS. I don’t see this as changing the studio model.</p>

<p>Can you cite any kind of confirmation about “doing away with studios?” I don’t see that going on here.</p>

<p>One edit…I realize you actually said “outside studios”, sorry. Even so, I don’t see evidence of that with the other four external studios.</p>

<p>They were not judging the kids they were judging the quality of the studios. If it makes Tisch Drama a better place for their students this could be a good thing.</p>

<p>Sooievt I was told that all the outside studios were told they would be fazed out in the next ten years. I don’t know about the studios inside Tisch.</p>

<p>Actressmom, I realize you don’t wish to reveal your source but can you indicate if this is a student, a faculty member at a studio, a Tisch faculty member, a Tisch administrator, or a parent who told you this information?</p>

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<p>actressmom, with all due respect, how do you know this? Even if it were true and Tisch is thinking of moving away from associations with outside professional studios, this is not something that would be discussed openly with students or parents, or at a level at Tisch where this type of information would be common knowledge. This is exactly the kind of ‘information’, along with the comment about instituting a cut system, that should not be posted without confirmation. It’s irresponsible, and is likely to spread rampantly (as it apparently has here) without people knowing the true story.</p>

<p>Actressmom, with all due respect (and I mean that) I am not upset. :slight_smile: I was merely making a point in the discussion, in the same way that the rest of you are.</p>

<p>I cannot reveal my source so it is heresay but I am putting it out there! So far they are ending their associations with two of the outside studios. Why? Then it does seem possible that they would do the same with the rest. Please don’t kill the messenger. I am not spreading rumors I keep saying this is all heresay because I did not get it from the primary source. I got it from a secondary source.</p>

<p>Can I pm you privately with the answer</p>

<p>The problem with heresay and rumors is that they cannot be confirmed or substantiated and then it is posted on a public forum and people will think it is true and spread false information. </p>

<p>I don’t know what you call a “secondary source” but if it is a student or parent, I could discount it and not spread what was said. If it was a Tisch faculty or administrator, then you could say so without revealing who the person is. </p>

<p>The fact that they are ending association with two studios does not imply doing so with the other four external ones. A person could jump to such an inference and then state it and that’s how rumors go. Similarly, a person can think that CMU a long time ago had cuts and so maybe Tisch will now too because the Drama Chair once ran the CMU program (which had NO cuts under her tenure). Then, this pure speculation becomes rumors that people take to heart. Even you said in one post that you were “guessing” like everyone else. If you are guessing…then, perhaps say, “I wonder if…” But saying, “I heard…” and not giving the nature of the source, is not much more than guessing, rumor, and speculation. I think spreading speculation in a way that comes across as someone of some importance stated it, may mislead readers here in the long run.</p>