Carnegie Mellon SCS: is it worth the cost?

I was so excited and surprised to be accepted into SCS!! Unfortunately, I didn’t qualify for financial aid, so the grand total comes out to be about $63k/yr (with Carnegie Scholarship), which is still a heck ton of money.

I know I want to major in CS, and I plan to go to an admitted student event next month. CMU’s CS program places it on the top of my list currently. I’ m still waiting on other colleges, but some of my more affordable options are: Georgia Tech (~$13k) and University of Southern California (~$44k) with merit aid.

Has anyone gone through a similar experience or have any advice regarding my options? :slight_smile:

My (and my parents’) biggest concern is that it will put too much pressure on me to maximize my ROI. I would want to do that regardless of price, but I guess overall it just seems like a high risk investment at this price (especially with arguably competitive CS colleges as cheaper options).

Congrats on your acceptance to CMU and SCS. No. its not worth the cost. GA Tech has a top notch computer science department, you will get a solid education there.

I would like to piggyback off of OP’s post; is it worth 50K per year to attend MCS for Mathematical Sciences? ALl things considered, the only other options that I would consider as of right now are Albama (~10K per year, accounting for everything) and Delaware (I forget exactly how much but I think it would be around 30-35K per year). Still waiting to hear back from Penn and Michigan, maybe they will be worth considering depending on financial aid offers, if I even get accepted haha. My parents can afford CMU, and I want to go- it is my top choice, actually- but I don’t want my parents to stretch the budget so that I can go somewhere that isn’t worth the 50K they would have to pay. Thanks for any help.

@keashane - what attracts you to CMU? Any particular fields of Math, minors, dual majors, or combination majors?

Congrats on your acceptance to CMU and SCS. No. its not worth the cost. GA Tech has a top notch computer science department, you will get a solid education there.

The discrete math concentration interests me. No dual majors, minors, etc in mind but I’m open to the idea.

@CA94309 Thanks for your input! :slight_smile: May I ask, what makes you so confident that GT is the better option?
Yes, I agree GT has a top notch CS program. However, there’s still a huge difference in quality from opportunity to prestige. I know several GT alum/current students, and it seems to be a miserable environment overall. I have not encountered anyone saying they “love” GT – more so just tolerating it. I enjoy the CMU quirkiness, and it seems to be a better/more cultivating environment. Of course, there is a big tuition difference, but I think the atmosphere/happiness is still an important factor. (These are all observations from a CS perspective).

Is that worth considering/do you have personal experience at GT CS?

Highoncaffeine: as a parent (and, full disclosure, a CMU alum) I would allow, and in fact I would encourage, you to attend CMU if that’s really what you really wanted. Reading between the lines I think it is what you want. I’m making the assumption here that the $63k is something your family could afford. Congratulations on your acceptance; you must be one smart person.

@keashane I suppose you’ll have to determine if there’s anything at CMU that grabs your interest and separates it from your other alternatives. It’s difficult to make any further recommendations given the paucity of information you’ve presented.

Both CMU and GA Tech have very good CS departments. Both are well regarded in the tech world and you will have a successful career following graduation. You will get a strong education from either. I work in silicon valley. We hire a lot of CS/CE majors from all over US, and we have a lot of people from CMU and GA Tech, all very successful at their jobs.A lot depends on how well you do in school. You will have to work hard and will be stretched at both schools.

However, the environment, the student body, and your experiences outside of the class will be significantly different, one being a large public school and the other a smaller private school. You have to decide if that experience is worth the 4 x 35k difference in tuition.

@CA94309 Thanks for the helpful response!!

@highoncaffeine , my D2 is a Junior at GTech (MechE). Maybe you should talk to folks like her to find out that GTech is a place where folks work super hard and still thrive and are happy/content! My D2’s first year roomie had exactly your options - she had acceptance at CMU SCS and a Zell Miller scholarship to GTech. She has had great internship opportunities from the very first summer.

Only you and your family can decide whether the premium is worth it to attend CMU. By my reckoning, absolutely not. Use that money for setting up a startup or doing post-grad (eg. MBA). In terms of opportunities, GTech will provide you with everything you can desire intellectually.

The latest THE rankings for CS has these 2 univs neck and neck…
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2017/subject-ranking/computer-science#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

BTW, I know Subra Suresh personally, so will not say anything unfavorable to CMU :wink:

i012575: I’m not questioning your general point, the OP will have to weigh your opinion against others, but how can the Times ranking be considered credible in CS if Stanford and Cal Berkeley don’t appear?

You have really good options.

Visit and ask these questions at CMU. Maybe even try to talk to a professor or two there about your specific options. Do the same thing at the other schools. This is a big decision.

My D1 sent a well written email to a professor at the private school she eventually attended whose research she found interesting, outlining her own interests and asking his advice on her options for college. He had done his undergrad at one school she applied to but hadn’t heard yet, his PhD at another school she was admitted to, and he was a professor at a third school she was admitted to. It was incredibly helpful. He was her eventual undergrad research advisor and wrote one of her recommendation letters for graduate school.

@SkepticalOfMost I was at school when i wrote that so I didn’t really have time to provide you with a more complete answer. I found a post on another website, from a student at CMU, which pretty well sums up why I like CMU:

“The first thing you need to know about this school is that you will be doing insane amounts of work, and so will everyone else. Always. Even the weekends. All the time. Which isn’t a bad thing! One of the reasons I decided to come here because I wanted to be challenged by the work I was doing instead of being able to easily grab straight A’s and party. One of the few things I absolutely loathe about this place, though, is the hierarchy that seems to exist within the school. Essentially, Humanities and Business students are thought to do less work, followed by CFA, MCS, and then CIT, then SCS (of course). Its not that big of a deal, though. Also, Stress culture. People seem to be ruled by how much work they do-- people go around saying stuff like, Aw, I only got three hours of sleep last night! and the next guy will be all like, yeah, well I only got two! And they’ll sort of laugh it out but you know the first guy was trying to sound all stressed and worked to death-- but he got beaten. Its a really terrible little game that happens sometimes, so if you aren’t really excellent at coping with heavy stress, don’t come here. Seriously. Don’t. As far as Pittsburgh goes, its pretty cool. The transportation is free (the bus, I mean), there’s a lot of cool places, shopping centers, cute little shops, museums (which you can get into free-- score! if thats your thing.) And of course be ready to have some hardcore CMU pride. If you are here, you learn to love it and everyone here, because you know that if you are surviving at CMU then you can probably survive anything. Most people on campus think we work harder than-- and are more successful than-- Ivy League students, for the fact that we work so hard, and pour so much of ourselves into it. A lot of the time CMU is thought of as second best (to MIT and other techy schools, ivies, so on), and that is a big part of CMU pride. For whatever reason, a lot of us were told we weren’t good enough-- so CMU students have this sort of revenge thing. We will do amazing things. We will prove that they made the wrong decision! Whoever they are. And it feels awesome because for the most part, it’s true. So, I suppose you should draw the line at how much you are willing to pour into your education. If it isn’t your entire mind, body and soul, then watch out for this one. But if you are ready to take on a challenge and excel because of it, this is the place for you. Everyone here is super chill, you can be whatever you want to be, and you can pursue your life and education in the most intense, most satisfying ways. It gets tough, but its definitely worth it!”

Also, I should clarify; I’m asking if the education is objectively worth 50K per year. As in will I learn enough and be prepared enough for my future career to justify spending so much. I know there is no definitive answer to that, but I’d like to hear some opinions at least. Assume that I will do well in my classes, and that I will work hard. That may not happen, but just for the sake of making the question easier to answer, assume that it will. I think see where your questions are coming from. Am I correct that you are trying to guage whether I will enjoy myself at CMU? I know you and a lot of other people on CC may disagree with this very much, but I don’t care nearly as much about fit as I do about getting a good education that will prepare me for my career. I don’t mean to start a debate, I just want to make it clear where my priorities lie. I can go more in-depth about anything I’ve said here if it would help.

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@keashane - I have no idea as to how discrete math programs compare across the schools you’ve mentioned, so I thought perhaps someone else might be able to chime in. I’m a CMU parent and when we faced a similar decision - for a different major - we chose CMU over a much less expensive option only because of the strength, career prospects and relatively unique nature of the program. In fact, we didn’t even know much about it before we first visited CMU.

I have no way of opining as to whether/not you will enjoy yourself at CMU, that’s not the question I was responding to.

I assume you’ve compared placement/salary ranges for math grads across the schools you’ve mentioned - that should help answer your question as to whether CMU is worth the extra money or not.

Good luck!

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Hi. Personally I argue that it is worth the cost (current student) but I dont believe a large generic wall of text would help ^^^.

I personally turned down full/half scholarships at many other cs schools have nearly-never regretted it. If you can afford it I argue CMU CS is quite worth it – but that said I dont know your financial situation. You will+can get into many employers from other schools.

You can PM / similar me if you have specifics, or also come to admitted cs student events/tours this month :slight_smile: we always have a student panel as well.

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