So your argument basically is that percentage wise more women are accepted because their application pool is percentage wise stronger than the men’s pool. That is a great argument…not because it’s true but because it cannot be factually disproved. No school publishes stats based on sex and even if they did they have the holistic argument to justify any decisions. I bet if I ever used your argument to justify more men getting in I would be called a sexist.
Your second paragraph however rings true. Schools want to make sure there is an equal number of men and women. We can argue till the cows come home whether this is right or not but if that’s the goal then it follows that if admissions were sex blind that the results would probably be different than the current 50/50 admit split.
@jackson5123 I make the argument because I’ve sat in many college presentations for the last couple of years where admissions staff say just that: tech schools/majors admit a greater percentage of women applicants because the pool is smaller and the women have already self-selected for higher standards, not because they lower standards for them. It’s true that the data is not available to any of us to prove it, but if it’s not true it’s an oddly consistent conspiracy among college admissions officials across many schools to lie to all of us exactly the same way.
Regarding the CMU male/female acceptance rate issue, CMU is up front about the numbers - they are right there on the CDS. In my opinion, any male thinking of applying to CMU needs to be aware of the disparity, just like any female thinking of applying to a place like Vasser needs to be aware that it works the opposite way at that school. DS visited CMU, but decided not to apply. Part of it was fit, but part of it was also his conclusion that it is too difficult to get in applying as a male.
Regarding the confusion of the waitlist, you may read the decision letter, it specifically said the you have been placed on the priority waist list for those on priority…
Someone asked this question earlier too. Are everyone on the priority waitlist?
Sorry: changing subjects here: I Just checked the portal and see we are getting NO financial aid! This is unbelievable and I am in shock. Every other school has offered something (including Merit). I am crushed for my son as this will not work now at all and it’s his number one choice. We will be changing our financial circumstances in the next few months and buying a house (we are living overseas rent free at the moment) so we are pretty confident we will then be able to up the aid offered from most schools but CMU has offered 0, zip! Nada!
@chound2023 Not all on Priority WL. Not sure how many on the Priority WL
they accepted around 110 last year of off the priority I think. Idk how many were on it though
Last year’s number was an anomaly. Someone mentioned before, on average for the past decade, they accepted 39 each year, across all schools…
probably not a lot from CS of those 39. I expect a lot of it from the DC
Today released financial aid. Does merit come out with this email or if there is merit for CFA is this forthcoming?
I have no problem with the schools doing whatever they want I just don’t like the justifications that are made to explain away what is perfectly clear. If they want more women and more URMs that’s their decision but please don’t try and hide behind platitudes like self selecting and holistic. For all I know maybe it’s best for society to do so. I guess nothing left to say since neither of us is going to convince the other
I am hearing there is NO merit at CMU!
@jackson5123 The Common Data set includes gender. MIT, Harvey Mudd College and CMU favor girls over boys.
the girls are not better qualified. I have interviewed for MIT for over 20 years, and all three of these schools favor girls, and favor first generation college students and sometimes URM, but the later is not as strong of an affect as being a girl. Its astounding when you look at the Common Data Set for engineering colleges. Girls get in a lot easier than boys. However, for small liberal arts colleges, boys get in a lot easier than girls do today. You can search on gender bias and pull up many articles with the statistics if you care to learn about that.
Agree. Some people just want to stick their heads in the sand on this issue and come up with all kinds of reasons to explain it like they self select meaning women get admitted at a higher rate than men because their pool is more qualified. The whole thing would go down much better with me if colleges and people didn’t hide behind these kinds of justification and just admitted what is happening. They want more women so they take them even if there are more qualified men…this does not mean the women aren’t qualified it just means the some men who are more qualified get left out.
@likesbikes . I understand there will be no merit at CMU going forward. When my son got merit, it came with his financial aide. But then he visited the school and they increased his $ offer.
For future people trying for CMU:
S rejected for BCSA (SCS and CFA)
SAT 1530 (740 R, 790 M)
SAT Math 800, SAT Physics 790
5 APs + 1 Dual Enrollment
ECs average
Probably would have had a tough time anyway and people end where they belong for the most part. Congrats to all those who got in.
Problem was that he didn’t want to go to CMU if he did not get into the program and clearly his portfolio was not good enough for the Fine Arts college. I think he had a shot at some of the other schools.
@jackson5123 @Coloradomama I wonder if CMU/MIT et al will continue their gender-“equality” policies if they watch as other lower-ranked schools such as RPI, WPI, Stevens starting catching up to them in terms of talent. It’s inevitable and maybe not such a bad thing.
Public schools like Purdue, GT and the UCs (which btw cannot consider race) are already just as good. Just a matter of time before people realize they dont need the CMUs, the MITs, and the Cornells if they are looking for outstanding STEM at a lower cost. These private schools that insist on social justice will slowly lose more talent and reputations.