Catholic/Religious Colleges

<p>Okay, coming from a Catholic high school, I am NOT looking forward to repeating the experience in college. Its not that I've hated it or anything, it's just that I'm so sick of everything revolving around the Church and campus ministry politics and bias towards the kids whose parents donate a ton of money and are president of the community service organizations...however, I really believe the education part has been great. </p>

<p>What I'm trying to say is I am so curious about what a non-religious environment would be like, which is why I'm so hesitant to apply to schools with an affiliation. Everyone keeps telling me college is NOTHING like high school, but I'm still freaking out a bit. I have no idea what it's like to go to school and not be surrounded by very similar type people, and I'm afraid college will be the same. (ie, BC, which seems a lot like my school)</p>

<p>At the same time though, I'm afraid the religion phobia might prevent me from having an awesome experience and getting a good education. </p>

<p>What do you think?</p>

<p>... and going to a college that is not religiously-affiliated. </p>

<p>"I have no idea what it's like to go to school and not be surrounded by very similar type people"</p>

<p>Don't worry. Most high schoolers, really, are like you in that they are anxious about going to a college in which they don't know many people or how they're like. You may be curious and clueless about how non-Catholic institutions of education are like, others will be just as curious about other facets of college, too. </p>

<p>Like you, no one else knows exactly what to expect out of a college experience or how the education and social life and administration will differ from their high school experience. </p>

<p>If you're really tired of a Catholic-guided education, perhaps it'd be a good decision to finally take the opportunity and chose a non-Catholic college. You certainly won't be the only one wondering what it'll be like. Everyone will be curious as to what life will be like in whatever college, anyway. </p>

<p>"I'm afraid the religion phobia might prevent me from having an awesome experience and getting a good education."</p>

<p>Experience: Most everyone brings in little social fears/preconceptions/habits of their own when they go to college. Pretty much everyone learns and changes in their outlook/life view during college. Your change might be more different than others because you come from a more sheltered sort of high school experience, but you won't be the only one experiencing some sort of phobia related to living a new, unpredictable, eye-opening college life.</p>

<p>Education: Notre Dame is a Catholic university and it is very reputable and respected. Brown is a non-religiously-affiliated university and it is also very reputable and respected. If you chose the "right" school, getting a "good education"-- be it Catholic or not-- shouldn't be the issue.</p>

<p>notre dame is the most catholic of them all. they have curfews, they don't allow frats or sororities, the vast majority of people are all white, republican, and hate gays.</p>

<p>Thing to remember is that there are varying degrees of religion at colleges. At a college like Notre Dame, yes, you're going to experience a heavy Catholic influence. At one like Fordham, it won't be so prevalent.</p>

<p>Notre Dame, Boston College, and Holy Cross are traditionally considered three of the most Catholic colleges in the country, not including the smaller ones. Notre Dame is absolutely a conservative Catholic school, and it consistently ranks number one for least welcoming of GLBTQ students and other social minorities. That would probably not be a good fit for you.</p>

<p>However, you can go somewhere like Fordham or Georgetown and have a much more diverse and less devout study body. I know four people who have gone to Fordham, and three have been Jewish, if that gives you any idea of what it's like. You just need to look around and find a good fit for you.</p>

<p>Thanks for the replies!</p>

<p>Notre Dame is exactly what I DON'T want. Everyone there is too THE SAME!</p>

<p>I wouldn't consider myself afraid of new people! I would consider myself eager! </p>

<p>I wouldn't really consider my high school sheltered at all. It's actually in what most people would consider a "bad" neighborhood. It's just all this churchy-ness and about 3 distinct groups of people who come from very similar backgrounds, most of them Catholic. I have no problem with Catholics, though. I AM Catholic! But I want to meet people who maybe aren't and don't have such similar ideas about everything. Put BC in a sketchy area and that's my school. </p>

<p>Ahh, by the way...thanks for the info on Fordham. I'd like to hear more about it.</p>

<p>Fordham really is an excellent school. You get a great education with an admissions process that is a little less competitive (but not at all undemanding) than some other top-ranked schools, plus you get to live in New York. It's also really affordable, with tuition (not including room and board) being under $30k and average gift aid being over $16k.</p>

<p>There's a campus right in Lincoln Center in Manhattan (I have a friend going there for fall), plus the more traditional campus in Rose Hill in the Bronx. Fordham is known for being really friendly and having a diverse student body, not to mention top-notch Jesuit academics. A Fordham degree is a very highly respected one. They have a terrific Global Outreach program where you go overseas for a week or so and help people in poverty and other bad situations.</p>

<p>If it weren't for the fact that I want to go to school in a smaller location, it would be my top pick for sure. They're really, really great, and I'm saying that as a non-Catholic (though from a Catholic family). Here's some admissions info: <a href="http://apps.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=3582&profileId=1%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://apps.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=3582&profileId=1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>CityGal55, my experience was kind of the opposite (non-Catholic, public school product who ended up at Boston College). I'd strongly disagree with lumping BC with Notre Dame and Holy Cross in terms of Catholicity. I'm pasting a few previous posts below regarding BC's political and religious climate ...</p>

<p>Among Catholic schools, BC is probably the most politically liberal (80% voted for Kerry, granted he's a BC alum, and over 1,000 marched for gay rights this year). Of course there are conservatives as well, many of them quite vocal. Ann Coulter's talk in November drew almost as many as Howard Dean's talk in October. Overall, I'd say its a good mix, with no one political ideology dominating.</p>

<p>...</p>

<p>I am not religious at all (I wasn't brought up anything; if pressed I'd say I'm agnostic) and my decision to come to BC had nothing to do with religion. Others might disagree, but I actually think that the same is true of most people who come to BC. So to answer the original question, "Are non-Catholics comfortable at BC?" I'd say that I definitely am, and I know many others in the same boat. </p>

<p>Having said that, BC is obviously a Jesuit university, and religious identity is a part of that. I'm very open-minded and actually enjoy discussing life/death/big questions type of things. These kinds of discussions are probably more common here than at other schools, though I'm sure you'd still be "comfortable" here if you had no interest in them. Still, I think the core Jesuit values--intellectual life, human rights, social justice--are a big draw for most people who end up at BC, regardless of religion. In my observation, Jesuits are different from other Catholics in that they tend to be much more open to other perspectives and actually encourage them. The theology faculty includes well-known athiest, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, and Buddhist scholars as well as its Catholic theologians. The theology core requirement can be fulfilled by courses that question the existence of god or more specifically Catholic courses. And there are obviously all kinds of campus groups (Buddhist, Baptist, Episcopalian, Eastern Orthodox, Hillel, Muslim are a few that come to mind) in addition to several kinds of Catholic groups (liberal and conservative). "Conservative Catholics" per se are a distinct minority, though often a vocal one.</p>

<p>Basically, like most anything else, religious life/lack thereof is entirely what you make of it.</p>

<p>... and here's what I had to say in comparing BC with Notre Dame, which I visited for the first time last fall for a football game ...</p>

<p>Religion: This was perhaps the most surprising difference for me since I am not Catholic. I'd say I found the Catholicism at ND to be "oppressive." By that I mean, it was very in-your-face (crucifixes and statues everywhere and a huge mural of Jesus Christ on the side of a 14-story high-rise) and omnipresent (I met very few non-Catholics). BC is Jesuit and I think the distinction makes a big difference. Jesuits are above all intellectuals, and historically have sometimes been at odds with official church teachings. In my opinion, that makes for a healthy intellectual environment. It also means that the BC environment is much more tolerant of (and actually encourages) religious/intellectual diversity. Sure there are many practicing Catholics at BC, but there are also tons of people from other religions and probably even more (such as myself) who don't identify with any organized religion.</p>

<p>... hope that helps.</p>