<p>In my junior year I was caught cheating... twice. Neither of them led to a suspension, but one was copying a piece of homework and one of them involved giving answers on a test. I was given zeroes on both of the grades, but received an A in both AP courses. The guidance counselor, when questioned, said that the colleges would never see this, but being the paranoid person I am, I don't believe him. </p>
<p>My question is this: Even if the colleges never see these two incidences, should I report them? I was never suspended, and though these two are on record, the administration has said that they would not report them.</p>
<p>I know I am obligated to divulge this information, and I do feel badly about what happened; there isn't a moment where I don't wish they never happened. However, I'm also extremely scared as to whether this will affect my academic record. Any comments would be great. Thanks.</p>
<p>if the administration says so...
listen to them
or just get a signature from them or something</p>
<p>and how can u possibly get caught cheating!!!</p>
<p>(You cheat if you're hundred percent sure of not getting caught or if everyone from your class cheats.
and if your teacher is old... lol) <--- jk</p>
<p>no, colleges won't hear about it. if you werent suspended, they wont. even the small private colleges are far too busy to worry about you cheating once or twice.</p>
<p>Nope. I mean, if they don't ask for it, don't give it. It would be like if you were on trial, as the defendant. And you gave information that wasn't asked for, but made it harder for your lawyer to defend you.</p>
<p>Will the GC or teacher recs mention the cheating? I would think it might reflect on the school if they omit such info, especially if the colleges ask them about this info on the form that the admin & GC have to complete. Look over the info that is requested of the school & discuss in depth with your GC to choose your best course of action. </p>
<p>If a teacher mentions it in a rec & you don't mention it at all on your ap, it would look quite bad for you. Really tough for any of us to know how it will actually be handled at your school.</p>
<p>One kid I know was expelled from school for stealing money from the bookstore. He had to enroll at a different school for 1+ years & was allowed to return for senior year & graduate at original school. He did get into a small college whose name escapes me (not the prestige he might have otherwise been able to get) so somehow they worked it all out. I don't know what was written by him or school on his college aps.</p>
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<p>For me this is the scary part because it seems to reinforce the concept that if you cheat there will be no price to pay because your school let you off the hook. It is one time to get a wink and a go forth and sin no more. However it is another thing to become a repeat offender. Now you seem worried as to whether or not life is going to catch up with you.</p>
<p>You GC and teachers in theri recs not only write about your academics but they also write about your character.</p>
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though these two are on record, the administration has said that they would not report them.
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<p>In the end yoru school is going to have to balance the needs of one (you) against the needs of many (everyone who is going through the college process). For your GC not to report the incident then isn't s/he essentially cheating every one who played by the rules? </p>
<p>One must ask what is the message that the GC or the administration is sending to everyone else both in or outside of school because now their ethics are in question. Nothing ever happens in a vacuum. Who is to say that even if the GC doesn't report it, that someone else may (a disgruntled student or parent whose feels that you have taken their "spot" through means that were less than above board)?</p>
<p>i agree sybbie, but sometime i also think in this way:</p>
<p>Should they ruin the future of a student just because they hold firmly to the principle? It's a question of where leniency should be taken versus appropriate action.</p>
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<p>"they" are not doing anything, the OP made a conscious decison to cheat (knowing it was wrong) and got caught not once but twice. </p>
<p>If s/he were in college especially the ivies where there is an honor code they would have been thrown out. "they" are not ruining his/her life, just making him/her responsible for their actions.</p>
<p>In any case, as was pointed out, you'd not only have to be concerned about whether your faculty chooses to point out the TWO incidences of cheating, but whether anyone else in your school chooses to at ANY point bring it to the attention of whatever school you get into & attend.</p>
<p>Cheating twice would seem rather serious. You might be best served by going to a Community College for a few years & re-think your priorities & then apply as a transfer student. Ethics are really important in "real life" & the academic world. I'd talk this over with your folks & GC.</p>
<p>Make sure that your teacher doesn't write a separate letter to the colleges your applying to. My english teacher told my class that if she ever catches us cheating, she will write a letter to all the colleges we apply to. Be careful!</p>
<p>Hey, even if the teacher doesn't write a letter, ANYONE from your HS or familiar with the incidents could write to whatever school you end up at--your history will follow you (or at least the threat of exposure if you try to withhold info).</p>
<p>Yes, I've heard horror stories of her paranoia. Once she accused a girl of cheating on her college essay (I know the girl) even though the girl had written the college essay all by herself. Her "proof" was that it "wasn't quite [the girl's] writing style". She was basically forced to go to her safety, Loyola Marymount, because of it.</p>
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<p>If the teacher had the student for a period of time and has evaluated the sudent's work over a period of time then the teacher would be in a position to objectively state if the essay has discrepancies from the body of work the student has previously turned in.</p>
<p>There was punishment for the cheating. Zeros. Which can make a difference on a final grade.</p>
<p>It wasn't like the school did nothing. Cheating is like stealing, while both wrong, there are levels..stealing a pack of gum, stealing a piece of jewelry. In our society, we have different punishments for the same "crime" depending on the severity.</p>
<p>The school handled it. The school is aware. I think after the first time, on the second it should be two zeros, etc.</p>
<p>No, be honest. At least with yourself. Have you cheated more, and only got caught twice? Why did you cheat? Was it too much work, bad planning, laziness, forgetfulness, or didn't care? Why did you give answers away and why did you talk someone else into letting you copy, thus possibly getting them in trouble?</p>