CC Flip This House - Plantation Cottage

I obviously didn’t have enough time to try to load photos and post back here. I ended up having to extend my time at the project because a) owners are not available and b) there are a lot of detailed issues coming up.

It’s really difficult to reconfigure areas where you don’t have standard stud framing to hid plumbing pipes, drain lines and wires. So we have to think through every run of new pipe and wiring to hide it the best we can. And, I cannot get the owners to decide on the kitchen layout, refrigerator or microwave and so we don’t really know where to run wires for those items. I did nail down the bathroom layout so we can start with the plumbing and wiring for that area.

Deck is not done yet. It is taking forever because I am insisting that every piece get measured and cut and THEN has to get one coat heavy primer and two coats of high end semi gloss paint before it gets installed. This slows the process down a lot, waiting for 3 coats of paint on every piece of wood. I really want to make sure that the expensive lumber is sealed as best as possible against the humid, wet environment.

Materials are very expensive!!! This will be a project where materials end up being 65% of project cost instead of labor. Example - we had to get Six 2x10 24ft long Borat treated boards and total cost (before delivery cost) was $720!!! However, standard Borat treated lumber is about the same price as San Diego pressure treated lumber. But things like copper plumbing solder is $40 there versus $28 in San Diego. That all adds up. Luckily I put a big caveat on my original estimate - I did not know higher material costs would be in Hawaii.

We needed 6 pieces of 24 ft long lumber for the ‘sandwich boards’ for roof structure. It took me 2 days to source it from Honsador lumber and another 2 days to get it delivered. They were too long to try to haul an hour in the truck.

So, the guys moved over and finished Electric Panel installation, outdoor shower install, rewiring, installing tankless water heater, opening up walls and opening up a window/wall to move the exterior door to another location.

I think we have spent $23,000 so far but that includes a lot of stuff sitting in storage waiting for installation. We ran into a lot of issues after we looked at the walls between studio and laundry room and we have to do a lot of concrete cutting, so I warned the owners that I believe it is going to cost about $5,000 more to do the studio apartment. I gave them a couple of days to decide if we should move forward, but they decided to go ahead.

I did take the guys out for a couple of outings because they do not venture very far unless I force them to. We went to dinner and drinks at the Turtle Bay Resort (which has been remodeled completely and is really nice), took them on a catamaran sail in Waikiki (which is not something I would normally do but it was about the only experience that wasn’t sold out for the entire month), then dinner and live music at the Elk’s Lodge (hosted by a friend of mine who is a member). Also took them to Waimea Valley because they wanted to swim at a waterfall and I wanted to force them to learn a little about the history and culture, and gave them a list of other waterfalls they could hike to. And I showed them a lot of nearby beaches they could go for swimming after work every evening. It appears to me that the only place they go is Walmart to get food and stuff because they are familiar with that store !

I personally spent a LOT of time driving back/forth 2 hours round trip to Home Depot, taking people to airport, picking people up from airport, etc. A bridge washed out on the Windward Side and there was massive traffic the whole week along North Shore and trying to get across the center of the island. As an example, it took an hour to inch from Wailua to the eastern end of the North Shore (where owners live). I was staying with friends in Kaneohe and had to drive 45 min each way to the project. There aren’t any hotels in the project area and I couldn’t find anything to rent closer.

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No wonder houses are so expensive in Hawaii!

Once again, I’m impressed by your patience with homeowners who are slow to make decisions, by your thoughtful treatment of your crew, and by your dedication to doing a good job that does more than just look pretty on the surface. Your guys are lucky to work for you, and your homeowner clients are even luckier.

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On the photo site, @coralbrook said: “Could not afford shiplap boards so I found composite siding panels (which will last forever) that have a tongue and groove appearance. Roof plywood will be mounted on top of these panels to give solid structure.” This is why you’re so good, cb!! Very impressive!

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LOL at the idea that you have to force the crew to go to resorts, on catamarans, to waterfalls, and to the beach. That’s the aloha spirit!
Want to hire me to go do anything? :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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I forgot to mention some of the hilarious things happening.

The guys were picked up by the young owner driving a small Prius with homemade plumeria leis. He fibbed a little bit and told them it was a custom they had to wear them the rest of the day because they were a ‘gift’ (that’s kind of close to the truth). They then went straight to Home Depot to pick up some stuff I had pre ordered. They wore the leis through the Home Depot​:grin::grin::grin:. Then a big run to Costco to load up with food and basic cleaning supplies (which I insisted on because they are slobs and would probably reuse the same plate for 2 weeks). With their leis​:grin::grin:

All of that had to be carefully Tetris packed into the small Prius with 2 suitcases, two backpacks and we had packed a big toolbox that came on the plane with the guys. It was hilarious. A broomstick was sticking out the window for the ride to north shore

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That is so funny! A version of a clown car?! :rofl:

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Here’s another funny story. About 5 weeks ago I sent each worker the address and a link to photos of the project house. I now realize that this address was probably buried about 100 text messages back in their phones.

The guys were picked up at the airport and driven to the project house to settle in. The very next morning I had scheduled two deliveries from Home Depot and specialty lumber store. One delivery driver called their number and asked ‘what address am I delivering to?’. They had no idea what the address was! Finally my guy explains that it is near the ‘fried chicken place’ in Waialua (probably pronouncing the town name wrong). Believe it or not the guy replies “I know where that is, all truck drivers know where the fried chicken place is”

Then two days later they head off to Home Depot in Pearl City to buy some stuff. They get out to the parking lot and realize they have no idea what their address is to try to return home. They just pointed towards Waialua and tried to find the fried chicken place.

The smells from the fried chicken place are overwhelming at the house during the day, but I guess they stop cooking the chicken about 2pm so it’s OK after that. Place is closed on Mondays and Tuesdays but very busy on weekends

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They don’t follow their noses to the nearby fried chicken place?

The smell from the fried chicken place won’t be a problem for the home owners??

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Unfortunately they do go to the fried chicken place way too much at lunch. I tried to point out several healthier options at the mini mart deli.

Interesting about fried chicken smell. The Open House was between 3 to 5 pm after chicken smell. Their second visit with their agent must have been on a Monday or Tuesday. No smell at those times. And it was not disclosed but not sure it is required. There were multiple offers so it is what it is​:rofl::rofl:

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Probably better to disclose up front. With several offers, even if one backs out because if it, there will be another. If the buyers already live in the area, they may know about the fried chicken already.

We are almost to the end of Week 4. The patio doors are getting installed now and they are making a huge difference to the little house. They open up the views and let in a lot of natural light. The doors were $500 each and it will probably be about $1,100 to remove existing louvered windows (which were mounted really high), cut open the walls, install doors and then trim in around the doors where needed

The existing wall has a 4x4 post in each corner and one 4x4 post in the middle of the wall with a header going across the top of the wall. No studs, just interior shiplap and some aluminum siding on outside. We had to keep the 4x4 post in the middle, so the doors are installed on each side of the middle post. We added another 4x4 on the outer sides of the doors just to add some structure.

The deck was completed on Tuesday but the guys sent pictures in an heic format so I cannot get them loaded to the photo group. I will say that the deck is a huge overbuilt masterpiece that is drowning out the little house. That deck is so hurricane proof, the house will blow away long before the deck. Hopefully when the fancy railing gets added to the deck it will tie in better to the main house.

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Looking good!! :+1::+1:

Really nice, @coralbrook !

The enjoyment those patio doors will provide the owners far outweighs the cost.

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Looks terrific!

The deck roof is done. Installed #30 felt paper, side metal drip edge and then rolled on flat roof gravel that has self adhesive that tars up in the sun. The flat roof over the living room addition is in poor shape so we will be rolling white Tropicool roof sealant over that area

Finished the deck side walkway to the kitchen back door. The deck has been built with the proper drop of 1 to 2 inches below the doorways to minimize potential water intrusion into the house. Unfortunately, the prior owner built the landing area outside the kitchen and side patio door flush with the doorways, which is not proper. So, as the deck wrapped around the side of the house towards that landing, it is 1 1’/2" below the landing area. This creates a trip hazard. We had to balance the cost of tearing apart the landing, installing joists and decking. Because we need to save money somewhere I decided to leave the landing and paint it white so that it is an obvious step up. It was just going to be too much money and we would have had to purchase some more 2 x 6 lumber for the joists.

Another cost savings was saving the original stairs coming off the deck. They were damaged with some wood rot but it only took about 2 hours to repair them and reinforce them onto the deck. These will get painted white also. The main issue was we would have had to try to find 2 x 14 boards in order to cut new stair risers, so I just wanted to save the stair risers. The stairs are about 39" wide. To install Trex decking onto the stairs would have required a middle riser that didn’t exist in the old stairs. So, old stairs went back on to save money

And the patio doors are installed. There was a little bag taped to the patio doors which had the key and white plugs to go over screw holes. Of course, one of the bags had a hole in it and the key and white plugs fell out over all the shipping and delivery somewhere. I cannot return the door because I had to scrounge the entire island and get these delivered from a different Home Depot. We can live without the key (if they need to use a key to enter, they can use the other door which has a key) but now I get to search the universe for little white plugs for the bottom of the door.

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What type of roof is that called (with the gravel).?

@coralbrook my go to place for missing little things is Amazon (surprise!) A search for “white plugs for screw holes” brings up a bunch of options. Hope you will find something!

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