<p>This is pretty much for cc int'l participants considering applying to both uk and us universities and want to see which schools are among the top 30 in one combined list. It's the thread assessed by, voted by and for cc participants.</p>
<p>Since there are many factors involved, just concentrate on the overall academic strengths and prestige.</p>
<p>We should do it in alphabetical order. Make a list of about 50 and then vote and see what schools will come out in top 30. Let me start, first step: making up the list of about 50.</p>
<p>Cambridge
Chicago, U
Cornell
Edinburgh
Harvard
Imperial
LSE
MIT
Oxford
Penn, U
Princeton
Stanford
UCBerkeley
Yale</p>
<p>Please review, consider carefully and add your selected choices to the list. Should be very useful for those applying to us and uk colleges this year.</p>
<p>How much do you know about each of the universities on your list? Have you researched the strength of each individual department of each university on your list, both in terms of research and teaching (note that teaching would be a LOT more important on the undergraduate level)? Have you talked to students to see how satisfied they are with their academic experience?</p>
<p>My point is: Your list is mostly based on the reputation of these universities. Since nobody here has enough time to research every university in-depth, any vote we could give would be mostly based on a university’s reputation, which is well-known anyway. Any ranking of this sort would just reinforce general preoccupations instead of producing new insights.</p>
<p>I think that students should attend a university where they would be happy, not the one with the best reputation. For people who care about rankings, there are already enough rankings out there (e.g. USNews, League Tables). Comparing British and American universities is like comparing apples and oranges because they pursue two different missions on the undergraduate level.</p>
<p>your points taken. but this thread basically is:</p>
<p>1) to compile the list of 50 us and uk colleges and later on come up with the top 30 basically for int’l students for reference. it’s not rankings as such.</p>
<p>2) to serve as a starting point for int’l students who seek to apply to both us and uk colleges based on results among cc participants. hs applicants of course will dig deeper into each individual college as they go throu the college admissions process.</p>
<p>3) there are many factors to consider when making college choices; majors, student body, diversity, location, tuitions, facilities, so on and so forth. we can’t go into all these in one thread. </p>
<p>you seem like a knowledgeable student. perhaps this is the thread for students like you having more to contribute to and maybe having less to take from. but i believe cc forum is for those to give and take, we learn from one another. </p>
<p>Brown
Caltech
Cambridge
Chicago, U
Columbia
Cornell
Edinburgh
Harvard
Imperial
LSE
MIT
Oxford
Penn, U
Princeton
Stanford
UCBerkeley
Warwick
Yale</p>
<p>Even if it’s just for reference… whatever you come up with, you will miss some universities of the same caliber as the ones that will be on your top 30 list. Therefore, it will be an incomplete reference and incomplete references often do more harm than good.</p>
<p>I have expressed my concerns and I am not going to interfere with this thread anymore. Good luck accomplishing whatever you are trying to accomplish!</p>
<p>im pretty sure UCL and Kings should also be on that list, they are also pretty good and sought after </p>
<p>This list might be used for “some kind” of reference, but like barium said, ur obviously gonna miss out some really good colleges/universities from it .</p>
<p>So Canadian uni’s are not being considered? … McGill is a very prestigious and well-reputed school world-wide.. so im guessing that should be on you list.</p>
<p>i do think that only oxbridge is a lock for top20. lse and imperial might limp in depending on what measure you use, and the case for ucl is even more dubious.</p>
<p>should i have to repeat again? this is not the thread for top 20 rankings survey but simply to compile the list of say 30 out of 50 us and uk colleges for students to consider applying to both. overall speaking, if one considers applying to uk schools, he/she probably would consider oxbridge, imperial, lse (with ib 39-40 plus excluding bonus points, or 3 a levels) or if somewhat lower, ucl, edinburgh, warwick, edinburgh, bristol, kings college and so on.</p>
<p>for many int’l students including those from singapore, they might consider applying to both. that’s why we see a number of boards featuring uk school(s) vs us school(s) asking for opinions and comparisons.</p>
<p>dconcerned, you need to be more specific with your request…the number of permutations and choices when it comes to uni selection can be unlimited given each individual’s diff strengths, preferences, learning styles, financial constraints, career aspirations etc. and the sheer amount of unis that cater to these diff applicants…</p>
<p>for example, if you want a good education, oxbridge’s tutorial system and LACs small classes are a good bet…on the other hand, oxbridge requires you to specialise early, which may or may not appeal/be beneficial to some ppl, and LACs are limited in the number of modules they offer because they dont have the size and resources of a major research uni…which on the other hand lack the undergrad emphasis and hence education quality that a LAC provides (a student whos intending to return home after graduating would benefit more from the prestige of a major research uni while a student whos interested in grad school/staying in the states might benefit more from a LAC)</p>
<p>if you want a list of reputable/well-known unis, u can look to rankings and word-of-mouth, u dont need and most probably wont get a list from CCers</p>
<p>but if u’re interested in compiling say an “idiot’s guide to college selection”, i’ll be glad to offer some help though…start off by clarifying what you’re looking for</p>
<p>1) I can’t be more specific than that the schools should be based on overall academic strengths, that they offer comprehensive range of degrees/programs in arts, sciences and engineering. Most of the top uk schools are comprehensive as well, except LSE that’s more into economics and Imperial more into engineering, and so are the us schools. most lacs also offer both arts and sciences. the only notable exceptions are really lse and imperial.</p>
<p>2) i know uk schools curriculum requires students to be specific in their study program from day one while us schools want students to explore other options in arts and sciences during their first two years before being committed to the major. but this is why int’l students need to go thru the decision making process between the two different schools of thought. without or without the combined list, int’l students who want to consider applying to both will have to make a decision some time along the way.</p>
<p>3) differences between large nat’l, comprehensive universities, be it uk or us, and small, more personal lacs still exist and remain unchanged, with or without the list. even among us students, they still have to go thru the same decision making process once admitted, if applying to both large comprehensive Us and small lacs. so that’s a bit irrelevant.</p>
<p>4) remember i said this thread is pretty much for int’l students who a) want to consider applying to both uk and us schools b) would like to see the list of about 30 or so schools combined from both to make comparative decision. out of all 3.0 million plus american hs graduates, very very few indeed would consider applying to both while uk students are least likely to consider applying to both either. this thread is for neither of them. it’s mainly for int’l students, each year totalling hundreds of thousands coming to us and uk for higher education.</p>
<p>maybe not enough int’l students who consider applying to both come participate in this thread. maybe they’d rather have two separate lists, each one going thru their own individual application process. once accepted to both uk and us schools, then they can decide in the final stage where they want to go to. maybe that’s the case.</p>
<p>and if that’s the case, then we’ll know that they’d rather do the lists separately and make final decision if and when admitted to both. And that’s completely understandable!</p>
<p>i don’t think idiots would bother posting on this board but some smarties might act like one though.</p>
<p>^ ok i’ve finally managed to make some sense out of your gibberish</p>
<p>what you want essentially is a top 30 list based on overall repute (w/o any regard as to the absurdity or uselessness)…now thats easy isnt it? just cut & paste the top 30 list from ARWU/THES</p>
<p>you’re jumping the gun again. both arwu and thes are world rankings. world rankings is world rankings. here we’re talking uk and us. you’d be making more sense if you suggest that times good univ. guide and uswr rankings be cut and pasted into one. think before you leap!</p>
<p>I think dconcerned’s request is so simple even a dog could understand what to so. So I will start.Initial list:</p>
<p>Cambridge
Chicago, U
Cornell
Edinburgh
Harvard
Imperial
LSE
MIT
Oxford
Penn, U
Princeton
Stanford
UCBerkeley
Yale</p>
<p>I propose you add for the US and UK
Soas
KCL (kings college)
UCL (university college)
Georgetown (because I go there)
Warwick
Brown
Northwestern
(Technically all the top 20 schools on US News are sought after by international students except University of Notre Dame and maybe Vanderbilt and Emory. I would add Tufts instead. U mich also deserves to be on the least of international prestige)</p>
Well, there are exactly 4 non-US and non-UK universities in the first 34 places of THES world rankings. It shouldn’t be so hard to omit these 4 and be left with a list of 30 top US and UK college, should it?</p>
<p>^ i think the OP is probably seeking affirmation for his choice of college…aka trying to fish out a list of “prestigious” unis from ppl and then persuading himself that he has made the right choice</p>
<p>and to the OP, in case you havent noticed, the THES/ARWU IS basically a US/UK uni ranking, at least at the top, so it’ll serve your purposes</p>
<p><em>hold down left mouse button, drag across the screen, hold down ctrl and click c, and open up your notepad followed by ctrl v</em></p>
<p>Soas, Kings and Nottingham are all universities which would pretty much only ever be mentioned by Brits (or immigrants to Britain) in this type of list.</p>
<p>iongbowmen: no need to go into detail here, but research methodologies used by thes and arwu rankings were very different. thes heavily weighted by peer assessments dominated by europeans/australians/asians while arwu rankings based on nobel prizes/papers/citations. both serve different purposes. again, if we’re to use the available rankings to consolidate into one, times good uni guide/uswr rankings, whose methodologies more comparable and purpose directly targeted at uk/us, would serve better. but that’s not the objective anyways. this thread leaves it up to cc posters’ opinion, no rankings needed thouh. </p>
<p>op does not have any self-motive and is not fishing out anything. he and his son are finished n done with the whole col apps process. s accepted to imperial, ucl, edinburgh, warwick and bristol in uk and to u michigan, cmu, cornell and u penn in us. he’s happily looking forward to upenn this fall. this thread is meant for those int’l students searching for good us and uk schools and now is the time to start the process.</p>