<p>my current list:
Clarkson University
Northeastern University
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Rochester Institute of Technology
University of Rochester
Worcester Polytechnic Institute</p>
<p>i'm looking for any other school in the same range as these. my SAT is almost 1300. i'll have plenty of AP's.</p>
<p>mainly i'm looking at CE/EE schools in the NY or somewhere close to NY.
im going to be submitting my applications very soon and am just wondering if there are any schools i'm forgetting about here.</p>
<p>Rose-Hulman - but it's far. We liked U Pitt's engineering department. Should you add SUNY Buffalo? Maybe Case Western in Cleveland - it's about 4 hour away.</p>
<p>But really, you have a fine list. Don't stress. I don't think you need more schools. Good luck ripken! :)</p>
<p>how well of an engineering school is UR tho? i live like 10min from UR and 15min from RIT so both are choices for me, but schools like RPI and Clarkson just seem better to me.
i've thought about Rose-Hulman but that is just way to far away.</p>
<p>At RIT, the percentage of students who actually graduate from engineering is very small. I am not sure, but it is probably much higher at U of Rochester. It would be a good question to ask U of R admissions people. U Rochester is much better overall.</p>
<p>RPI is the best EE school on your list but I think the town is kinda boring. Clarkson is better than RIT but not as good as U of R.</p>
<p>Basically you need to decide if you want to be in school with mostly techie types or if you want to go to a school where the focus is not necessarily on tech stuff. There is a big difference in feeling between RPI and U of R for instance. Some kids prefer to be immersed in the tech fields, others prefer to mix it up.</p>
<p>U of R's engineering school is perfectly adequate (they are well known primarily for optical engineering). RIT's engineering is stronger, with better industry partnerships, etc. Of course, RPI and WPI also are very strong. I don't know that much about Clarkson. </p>
<p>Northeastern - you better love the co-op thing if you go there. It's really what that school is all about. You trade off a bit of campus cohesiveness, in that socially it's a little tough to have kids coming and going all the time, but you get great experience and some spending money too. And, of course, you get Boston.</p>
<p>If you think you want to live in Boston or New England someday, Northeastern and WPI will have the best pull there. If you want to stay in NY state, RPI, Clarkson and RIT are probably most highly thought of. RPI might have the best national reputation, but engineering is pretty local. For instance, in the midwest a Purdue degree will be more recognizable than RPI most likely.</p>
<p>Regarding attrition: Good luck getting figures specific to engineering out of universities. So you really have no idea what U of R's engineering attrition rate is. </p>
<p>Aside from that, yes, engineering has a high drop out rate overall. It's tough! You need to be well prepared and WORK HARD. My theory on that is it's easier to focus when ALL the students have to work hard. Also, you will notice that some schools have excellent support in place for engineering students. RPI, WPI and U Pitt seemed to me to have the most focus on advising, tutoring, etc. </p>
<p>Engineering schools who accept students with lower stats will naturally have higher drop out rates, because, unfortunately, those kids are just not as well prepared for the rigors of the program. Since engineering schools are accredited, they all have to teach the same hard topics to everyone -- so it goes without saying that the poorer prepared or less motivated students will struggle.</p>
<p>thanks guys. so i'm pretty set on my list right now.
is there anything you guys can tell me about how good northeasern is for engineering or about any other boston schools?</p>
<p>When we visited Northeastern (twice I think - one was an engineering open house) I got the impression that it's a pretty focused school with pretty focused kids. </p>
<p>The faculty in engineering seemed very nice and approachable. I suppose their intro classes are large, which no doubt break down into smaller classes with TAs or something. (Pretty standard procedure.) I didn't go on the lab tour there (my son and husband did though) so I can't comment on facilities. (The best facilities we saw anywhere were at RPI and then maybe RIT.) </p>
<p>Their strength is definitely in their co-ops, which as you know, take a year and a half to do. Their co-op office has some excellent resources though, and, obviously, there are great opportunities in Boston. Have you visited there? The campus is sort of utilitarian looking, but, hey, who cares? It's Boston.</p>
<p>My son didn't like the heavy co-op emphasis though. He also thought the college had "no personality." I have no idea what he meant by that -I'm just passing it on. ;)</p>
<p>weenie-
Keep in mind that the the average SATs at U Rochester are 100-120 points higher than at RIT. RIT accepts a lot of students into engineering who have no chance of making it. How can you say that RIT engineering is superior to U of Rochester when U of R students and faculty are so much more accomplished?</p>
<p>I don't think a co-op program should be a selling point. Students everywhere can do 2 or 3 co-ops or internships, even at schools that don't promote themselves as co-op schools.</p>
<p>RIT is on a quarter system, which is weird.</p>
<p>i really like the UofR's campus, right on a river, next to a park, nice building. it does look good their. i've been there plenty of times for track meets.</p>
<p>anyways, i have two more possible schools to look at for engineering and that is villanova and boston univ. you guys have been great so far, now what about these 2?</p>
<p>I know you are a U of R aficionado, which is great as it is a nice school, but engineering is really a different ball game, and I'm not sure how much you know about it. Are you an engineering student someplace? </p>
<p>And while I don't put a whole lot of weight on the engineering rankings by US News, it is worth noting I guess that RIT is higher ranked at #70 than U of R at #76. That may or may not be a negligible difference, but like I said, it's more about what sort of atmosphere a kid wants to be in, and that's not really something you can choose for a person, but one they need to think about for themselves.</p>
<p>My son goes to WPI and they have even shorter terms than RIT and the kids there love it. My understanding is that the shorter terms work really well for schools that are primarily offering rather difficult technical and mathematical classes. Also, in RIT's case, the short terms serve their very strong co-op program well. </p>
<p>Co-op programs are not all created equal either. Strong co-op offices can make or break the sort of opportunities a kid gets and the support he/she needs while in the co-op. There's a reason schools are ranked for co-op programs, believe me.</p>
<p>I wonder why you say the engineering faculty ot U of R is "more accomplished" than RIT? Do you have some data on that? If you do it would be interesting to hear about it.</p>
<p>weenie-
The National Research Council rates faculty scholarly productivity. U of Rochester is rated but RIT is not. I don't think the engineering faculty at RIT do much research. The U of R has a long history of PhD programs but I don't think RIT has PhD programs. RIT doesn't belong in the same league with U of Rochester faculty. U of Rochester faculty are the real deal. As far as the ratings in US News are concerned...I usually trust US News. The engineering rankings are based on Peer Assessment. I think RIT's rating is undeserved in this case. I believe their student quality, graduation rates, and faculty scholarship do not merit a ranking of 70.</p>
<p>I am not an expert on either the U of Rochester or RIT engineering but I don't think you have to be an expert because the superiority of U Rochester engineering is quite pronounced.</p>
<p>Collegehelp: That is not a ranking of faculty in the engineering department. And the presence of a graduate program is not necessarily a boon to undergrads. (Think foreign speaking TAs and profs busy with research that most undergrads won't ever get near.) RIT's admitted focus is undergraduate education. </p>
<p>I'm glad you are such and expert on Rochester schools, but believe me, I've lived here for over 40 years and RIT is the engineering powerhouse in the area. You never hear anything about industry partnerships with U of R engineering, they are always with RIT. Since this is an economically difficult region that is highly dependent on education institutions those partnerships are much celebrated.</p>
<p>We also have two people in our family who graduated from U of R (one MBA one PhD) and one who has a masters from RIT. I also have a very good friend who is a research prof at U of R. (Of course, like most people here, I know lots of people who work at both schools.) They are just completely different schools. If you love technical stuff, you will have better opportunities at RIT. If you want a more balanced university setting, you'll like U of R.</p>
<p>But, hey, for some unknown reason, I guess you're the expert. (Do you or do you not attend one of these schools? I know you are a student, but are you in engineering?)</p>