cGPA 3.86 BCMP 3.95 MCAT 29L chance me please

<p>Asian
BS Bio 2011 from my state university (mid-tier UC)
CA Resident</p>

<p>Cum GPA:3.86
BCMP:3.95
MCAT: VR 9 PS 11 BS 9 = 29L</p>

<p>LOR: 1 non-science professor (generic), 2 science professors (generic), 1 from my PI (should be pretty good), 1 from an MD I know very well (should be very good)</p>

<p>EC:
-Hospital volunteering 100hr
-Shadowing in different specialties 50hrs
-Research for 3 years at my uni
-Tutoring at my university in bio and chem for 2 years
-short term mission trip
-Heavily involved in non profit organization that promotes the eradication of HIV
-Vice president of a student association of the above organization
-Working full-time at a research organization that's affiliated with the hospital (constant patient contact, nurses, MDs, PharmDs, ect)</p>

<p>Obviously the only thing I'm really worried about is the MCAT.</p>

<p>What's my chance considering I'm from CA with mediocre MCAT score?</p>

<p>It is apparent that preparation for MCAT was insufficient and that is how it will look to adcoms bcause of your very high GPA. Logically thinking, they will question your future desire to prep. for Board exam while in Med. School. Med. School reputation depends on how well students perform and match to residency. Worrying is not a good plan. I would talk to pre-med advisor at your UG and ask his opinion about retaking MCAT after more sufficient preparation.<br>
In regard to CA, CA is flooding the rest of the country. Californians of asian origin got accepted in very high disproportinal numbers everywhere. Is it good or bad news for you? You decide, might be both…</p>

<p>If I were you, I’d spend the summer doing nothing but mcat prep. Start reading some philosophy (to increase your VR score). A 32+ will work wonders for you.</p>

<p>A 29 rules out at least five of the med schools in Calif.</p>

<p>Sounds like a pretty generic app to me. I’d place your odds around the average odds for people of your race, GPA, and MCAT, which are available in that AMCAS table. If your “soft” factors were incredible, I’d give you better odds. If your “soft” factors were lacking, I’d give you worse odds. What level of risk are you comfortable with?</p>

<p>You probably have a better chance OOS</p>

<p>Somemom I was going to say something similar. I was more concerned about the CA resident applying CA schools than even the MCAT.</p>

<p>OOS in the southeast might produce an acceptance. In some areas Asian would not be an ORM, rather a diversity factor. GPA is great, wish the MCAT was a 30, it is so close or rather the verbal a 10…</p>

<p>Kat</p>

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-Tutoring at my university in bio and chem for 2 years*</p>

<p>I find this odd. If you tutored sciences for 2 years, I would have thought that your science scores would be higher. Tutoring would have provided constant review.</p>

<p>The thing is, in CA, you are not special. Your GPA is special, but many other kids will also have a great GPA. Being Asian from a UC, not unique. Having a sub-35 MCAT in CA, not good. There would need to be something special and unusual to allow you to stand out from the pack and possibly not be cut, even from USC/LL based on MCAT alone.</p>

<p>I would try for AZ & TX & maybe OR, then look at the usual suspects back east-DC/PA/VA schools. You’ll see on SDN which schools seem open to lower stats & CA kids.</p>

<p>As for my low science in mcat… bs was a fluke for me. i constantly scored 11 or above for bs on aamc practice but i have no idea why i ended with a 9… dont judge me on one test please…</p>

<p>as much as i want to stay in CA, i also find that quite hard with my current stats right now</p>

<p>two things i would count on though are my ECs and GPA. and the fact that admission committee look as a “whole person”. The problem is how much of a negativity will be conveyed by my 29. Which Im sure depends on persons to persons.</p>

<p>My current job is a gold mine for any premeds. I wont go into detail for privacy reason but I will have TONS of clinical stuff to talk about during the interview.</p>

<p>kat: i agree with you on the 30 part… i was very disapponted that i missed my target by a 1 friggin point… :frowning: </p>

<p>wish me luck…</p>

<p>It is great that you will have a strong app aside from the MCAT and that you may have lots to discuss in an interview, the key, though is making it through the first screening. With a 29 you have to apply widely.</p>

<p>A 29 doesn’t mean you won’t get in anywhere and it doesn’t mean you won’t be a good doctor, it just means you will get cut before any one even reads your app at many schools. Apply early and broadly when you do apply.</p>

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<p>When you asked for “chances” what were you expecting? The simple fact is that some med schools have data cutoffs, below which are auto rejects. The simple fact is that three of the UC med schools are in the top 15 nationally, and have top 15 stats. A <30 ain’t close. </p>

<p>Your Lizzy score is a 67 (gpa*10+mcat-1). A 32+ would open a lot more doors, and it is the mcat that gets you the interviews. According to a survey of adcoms, mcat was #1 factor for offering an interview, followed closely by gpa. ECs and Recs were a distant third.</p>

<p>will do. i will probably target all low tier ood friendly schools and maybe a few reaches just for kicks (NYU , BU)</p>

<p>You can probably still get into med school with what you have. You likely will not get into a CA school but will probably end up in a low tier med school along the lines of UIC, Drexel, Rosalind Franklin, etc. If you apply the right way and the rest of your app is without red flags, you will probably still get into a US allopathic med school.</p>

<p>If you want to aim for something higher, you will likely have to retake the MCAT. I don’t know what you were scoring on the practice tests, but if you were scoring 33-35+, it may be worth a retake as you severely underachieved. If you were only scoring 30-32 on your practice test, then it’s probably not worth a retake since you’re likely to score 28-31 again.</p>

<p>I hope my previous post didn’t come off as rude–it wasn’t intended to be. </p>

<p>You mention your GPA and your ECs are your strong points. Without question I agree with the GPA part. I felt like the same was basically true for me, and if you read back thru the 2010-2011 applicants thread you can find plenty about my profile. </p>

<p>As far as I’ve been able to tell, what really makes ECs a strong point of an application is being able to use ECs to demonstrate your passion, commitment, and leadership skills. This works well for applications especially because it gives you something to write about and talk about, in addition to how much you presumably enjoy it in and of itself. </p>

<p>Again, not trying to criticize. Just trying to give you an honest opinion when you asked for them. Here’s why I thought parts of your application were generic. </p>

<p>LOR: 1 non-science professor (generic), 2 science professors (generic), 1 from my PI (should be pretty good), 1 from an MD I know very well (should be very good)Strong LORs are important (probably not as much as GPA or MCAT). What’s preventing you from having 4 amazing ones? Is there anything you can do to change that? Given your great GPA, having strong LORs from profs should be possible. And while that MD one will be nice, the ones from profs are equally important and perhaps more important because they will speak about you as a student…which is ultimately what med schools are selecting you to be.</p>

<p>EC:
-Hospital volunteering 100hr: Many premed students do this, which makes it hard for your to distinguish yourself by being a hospital volunteer. When I hear that a premed is a hospital volunteer, I imagine them filing papers or transporting patients or cleaning up the waiting room or visiting with patients. Certainly important things, but nothing earth-shattering. Did you do something beyond that? If so, I would be more impressed by it.</p>

<p>-Shadowing in different specialties 50hrs: This isn’t a ton of time spent shadowing, and since you mentioned shadowing different specialties, I interpreted that as you probably spent a full day with like 5 different docs. This would make me wonder how much you got out of the experience because I would question whether you had time to observe patient care or get to know the doc you were shadowing. To me, this looks like another thing you did just to check off a proverbial box on the “I’m a good premed” list. </p>

<p>-Research for 3 years at my uni: This one has potential to be really cool, especially since you alluded to it above. If you’re doing really high level research and are actually getting to do stuff–meaning you’re not just cleaning dishes or coding samples or whatever–then this could be cool. But the thing is, a lot of premeds do extensive research. Figuring out how to distinguish yourself based on research experience is difficult because it’s such a common thing to do. </p>

<p>-Tutoring at my university in bio and chem for 2 years: Like the above, it depends on what you do with it. Sit in an office and wait for kids to come by looking for help? Work one night a week at a help session? Or is this a huge commitment and something you really care about? It’s hard to tell from the way you wrote it!</p>

<p>-Short term mission trip: I went on a 10-day med mission to Costa Rica and am headed to Mexico for two weeks soon, so I am definitely a fan of mission trips. However, there is some controversy about med mission trips–are you really doing anything to benefit the community? Are you just “using” the local population as training for things you aren’t allowed to do in the states? Are you really even doing anything, or is it just a glorified vacation? Or, was it not medical at all, and tied to your church? As far as I can tell, the default assumption about medical mission trips as they’re an exciting way for American students to be exposed to global health care, but can do more harm than good for the communities. I think they’re viewed somewhat skeptically by the medical community. Obviously there are great organizations out there that run very sustainable programs, but as far as I can tell they’re the exception.</p>

<p>-Heavily involved in non profit organization that promotes the eradication of HIV: Don’t know what to say about this one. So far it’s the only one that has to do with service (besides your short mission trip), and many schools really emphasize service, so I think it would be a good idea to elaborate here when you’re sending out your apps. Def has some potential though!</p>

<p>-Vice president of a student association of the above organization: VP is cool. Prez is better. Founder is better. While leadership’s not a must for med school apps, it certainly helps, and with your current MCAT score, you can use all the help you can find. Was this a pretty significant position? Most of the VPs I know (and I know quite a few as I had a very “involved” group of friends) didn’t do much work and just used their position as a line on their CV. If that’s not the case for you, I think you should explain it more.</p>

<p>-Working full-time at a research organization that’s affiliated with the hospital (constant patient contact, nurses, MDs, PharmDs, ect): you mentioned this above and it sounds like a cool project. Could this type of work be your hook? Are you the only student? </p>

<p>I guess what I meant by generic is that at this point, I’m not seeing anything that makes me think “OMG I have to meet this kid. Now.” and I don’t see any kind of “theme” that really unifies what you’re doing. Nothing really stands out as super awesome, although of course I recognize as a package it looks pretty complete (in that you’ve checked most of those proverbial boxes). As you’ve written it here, it reads like a kid who knows what the minimum hoops one must jump through to get into med school are, and maybe hasn’t taken advantage of all that undergrad has to offer in terms of developing a real passion for something.</p>

<p>I hope you won’t interpret this as a terrible critique. Of course I recognize that you have dedicated significant time and effort to the things that you do, and I’m sure you have a lot to be proud of. I’m not even looking for a response and wasn’t intending to challenge anything you said. I just wanted to point this stuff out so that if there’s really “more to it” (as I suspect there is), you can have some ideas about how to market it to med schools in a more effective way than you listed here (which isn’t to say you should be putting a lot of effort into marketing yourself to an anonymous internet board, and it isn’t to suggest this is how you’d write your app. I just wanted to give you some feedback!)</p>

<p>If I had your app, I’d work on figuring out a theme that’s tying it all together and from there would bulk up the service and leadership aspects according to said theme. The nice thing about a theme (other than it keeping your life consistent) is that it gives you proof that you do the things you say you do in an interview. Anyone can say they’re drawn to medicine because they like serving others, for example. But if you can back that up with years of service, leadership in service organizations, and maybe even some research work to benefit the demographics you care about, then you’re really showing it. Does that make sense?</p>

<p>I want you to find your hook! It’s there somewhere :)</p>

<p>A brief summary of Kristin’s excellent post- once you make it through the initial screening, assuming your MCAT does not kick you out, you are then in a big pile of applicants all of whom have the same TO-DO list. What can you do or say to make yourself interesting. The reader needs to want to talk with you.</p>

<p>You will be telling the story of your journey to become a doctor. What you write in your ps, what LORs write about you, your activities list, heck even your major and the electives you took all contribute to where you have travelled on your path.</p>

<p>Your job is to put it all together and make the adcom, interviewers want to hear more about your journey and HOW their school will “fit” for you to continue with them.</p>

<p>Granted your numbers have to be there for them to take a peek, but if they give you a look you need more in the app for them to offer you an invite.</p>

<p>I am sure there is much, as the others have posted, a “hook”…and I think it could be your EC(non-profit for HIV), there appears to be passion there…so let it speak and LOUDLY…no longer a “generic” applicant.</p>

<p>Kat</p>

<p>I’d say my ECs are good (not a rockstar level) but good. Compared to many friends who are already in med school, my ECs are more complete and thorough than many others I know. My job involves not just bench research, but also direct patient contact (taking vital signs, EKG, ect) And no I’m not working there as a student but rather a regular employee. I don’t want to go into too many details on my ECs for anonymity. </p>

<p>I’m just saying I don’t think I don’t have to have the ECs of a rockstar to get in with my GPA/MCAT. My MCAT may be low, but it isn’t terrible…still the top 70th percentile of all test takers. The whole issue would’ve been much simpler had my MCAT came out to be 30…</p>

<p>Anyways at this point I’m gonna apply with what I have.</p>

<p>And no I can’t just study MCAT full time because I’m not in a position where I have the luxury of not working…it’s not an option unlike many premeds with rich parents.</p>

<p>Maybe when I’m accepted this cycle, I will come back and share the story to all.
I’ll be applying to both DO and MD to maximize my chances.</p>

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