Chance a hispanic, black, na at the ivy's!

Chance Me / Match Me!
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<p>Background:
Family: 1st generation college
Background: Native American (looking for proof), Hispanic (Cuban), Black (Caribbean)
Sex: Female
Income: Low.... due to economic crisis</p>

<p>Extra Curricular:
Varsity Track ( 9th-12th Grade) Captain (11th,12th)
Interact (9th-12th)
FBLA (11th-12th)
Mock Trial- Prosecuting lawyer and Secretary (11th-12th)
CSF- Vice President this year (10th-12th)
NHS-(11th-12th)
XC (9th-10th)
Music Internship-interview bands, write album reviews, cover huge events such as Crue Fest (11th-12th)
*Sending update saying I am a student representative for a native american organization.</p>

<p>Top 10% of class
Academic GPA: 3.82
Weighted Academic GPA: 4.65</p>

<p>Classes/ Course Rigor:
9th Grade:
Geometry H, Freshmen Seminar H/ Health (required to take), English 9 H, Spanish II, Cross Country/ Track, Biology H</p>

<p>10th Grade:
Algebra II H, Spanish III, AP Bio, AP Euro, English 10 H, Cross country/ Track, </p>

<p>11th Grade:
Precalc H, AP US, AP English, Physics H, Chem H, Journalism I, International Bus/ Marketing, Track</p>

<p>12th Grade:
AP CALC, AP GOV/ECON, AP english, AP PHYSICS, PHYSIOLOGY H, Photo, Track (2nd semester)</p>

<p>1st Semester grades respectively ^: A-, A-, B+ (might get switched to an A-), A-, A,</p>

<p>Testing:
AP Scores:
5- Bio
5- US History
4-AP English
2-Euro</p>

<p>ACT: 28
SAT II:
690-Bio
690-US History
590-Math 2</p>

<p>Schools I applied to:</p>

<p>NORTHEASTERN
BROWN
UPENN
HARVARD
YALE
UCLA
UCB
UCSD
UCSB
DARTMOUTH (EXTENDED DEADLINE SO WHY NOT?)
CLAREMONT MCKENNA
LOYOLA MARYMOUNT
and a safety...</p>

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<p>AP Scores:
5- Bio
5- US History
4-AP English
2-Euro</p>

<p>ACT: 28
SAT II:
690-Bio
690-US History
590-Math 2</p>

<p>28 ACT…590 math? 2 on euro. your applying to harvard. lol… funny i just recently got deffered from yale with a 2180 SAT (770 math 630 CR 780 writing)…took 11 AP (8 5s 3 4s) courses…800 math level 2…760 biology E ,780 math level 1 and 760 chem… and i got deffered lol…but of course you’ll get into harvard being a URM with much weaker credentials than me…its amazing how your trying to look for proof for native american background…do you even need that?</p>

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<p>Couldn’t agree more with andy. Just because you are a URM, you have a better chance at getting into an Ivy League school. Not fair. And you’re searching for ways to sneak around other applicants that are much more qualified than you are. Terrible.</p>

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<p>Andy +psilovethomas
first of all, you guys are acting as if she will get in, which she may not
second, it is not her fault she is a URM
third, getting deferred from yale is still quite an honor its a hard school to get into, and honestly ur sat I score is not impressive enough to say you didnt get in with great grade, a 630 in critical reading is awful. Can you imagine how many applicants have high math + writing scores and bad critical reading</p>

<p>Wowie, you seem to have a decent chance of getting into the schools that you applied to. Colleges will see that you are a minority 1st generation college applicant and it will certainly help you, but even as a hispanic/black, the admissions are still very selective. I have a friend who had 2200 sat’s and didnt get into his 1st choice ivy league, but some people at my school with lower scores did get in.<br>
You have a good chance at all, and will probably get into some, but your scores are a little low, even as a urm</p>

<p>andy, based on ur comment i can see why u didnt get accepted into yale. I wouldnt want someone like you in my college either u dont seem very nice/ open minded to try to understand everyones situation. That is just my impression, and if i got from you the same vibe yale did, i am not shocked that you didnt get in.
grow up</p>

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<p>killermonkey - are you kidding me? “u dont seem very nice/ open minded to try to understand everyones situation.” - her situation? shes a URM applying to college. I don’t see any situation. Secondly, I have the right to be mildly annoyed at the whole “affirm action” scenario. One of my closest friends got into Yale ED with about the same stats as this girl- I believe a 2030 SAT with a 3.8 or so gpa. 710 bio sat II 650 chem and a high 600 on math II. Of course shes a URM and she got in. I’m happy for her. But she had nothing else going for her. No athletics, no music/arts, no research. She had about 200 hours of hospital volunteer work with a few BS clubs she joined junior year. She is anything but underprivileged - Rich parents, top notch public high school. - Now I’m going to ask you this (and I realize a 630 on CR is pretty bad- but its one little flaw compared to the many flaws she has in her application)- Why should URMs with credentials like this get into Yale? - While I watch like a dog hoping Yale will throw a bone to me. I worked harder, I took more APs, I did better on those APs. Higher rank and higher SATs. So don’t give me your BS. I had enough of people automatically snapping at me for expressing my point of view. I have always supported equal opportunity. I think everyone should be on a level playing field. If you can’t get into an ivy or ivy equivalent from high school, it’s not the end of the world. Go to the best college that accepts you…then prove yourself worthy freshmen year by doing well…then transfer.</p>

<p>Just a reminder this is Andy’s brother. Please don’t send him private messages complaining. We share the same account.</p>

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<p>Please you guys don’t turn this thread into another AA argument thread…Seriously, have some composure. Go argue and b**ch about AA on one of the NUMEROUS dedicated threads.</p>

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<p>Let me reach out and have it be known this is a sweeping generalization, but nonetheless tends to be true.</p>

<p>Students with college graduate parents are more likely to attend college. Not only are they better prepared for college, but they also have been better equipped to succeed since birth. Whether it is exposure to a wider range of vocabulary or the hovering parents pushing their child to succeed, college educated parents more times than not create children better equipped for college. Research has shown college educated parents do tend to have smarter children. It’s not necessarily their genes, but what knowledge they are able to expose to a child at a early age. If you don’t believe me easily google it. In addition to, how can you possibly say a first generation college student is not disadvantaged compared to a non-first generation college students? My parents never once pushed me to get a higher SAT score, paid for prep books, pushed me to attend an ivy league, etc etc etc. I was the leader of my own education and I did what I wanted for me. I am not bitter about it and by any means I do not think I should get an advantage, but I do understand why colleges act the way they do. </p>

<p>Moreover, by being an “URM”, I bring a wide variety of background and culture into the campus. So no, it isn’t because I’m URM, I’m might possibly get in, but because I am a diverse person. My culture has shaped my life experiences. Not to mention, have you looked up the numbers for URM who apply to ivy leagues or top schools for that matter? It’s significantly less than their white and Asian counterparts. The reason URM with lower stats are in fact accepted is because there are very few URM who have had the opportunities to complete the same accomplishments as other students. I am not saying because you are URM you are automatically disadvantaged at life, but by all means have you looked up any of these statistics before you have made such ignorant comments? URM just by looking at there GPA’s, SAT scores, etc etc. they tend to be lower than white and asian students. In my AP and honor classes, majority of the students are in fact white and asian. It’s obvious that URM and first generation colleges have been disadvantaged as a whole. Maybe a couple of the students capitalize on there race to get in colleges, but more times than not the college is helping a student who has no other option for a school. They by no means can afford a school who does not have generous aid, which most ivy leagues will provide for socioeconomically challenged applicants. </p>

<p>Andy, let me blunt. You are a self-obsessed ignorant individual. You make the claim about your “URM” friend, but in reality you see absolutely nothing but what you want to see. By that I mean, you see a URM getting into Yale and automatically assume it is because of her race. You are upset because you were rejected, so automatically it’s because an URM took your spot? No wonder Yale rejected you, you have the cognitive strategies of an infant.</p>

<p>You claims are based on complete and utter anecdotal information. I hope in your life you grow to become an open minded individual. I’m sure once yo u graduate college and are in the real world, you’ll understand adcoms perspective.</p>

<p>Oh and before I turn this into an entire assault against you Andy, one more thing, weaker credentials? Really? I have lower test scores than you, so obviously I am a weaker candidate. I’m sorry college admissions are not based on test scores, if they were why did Brown admit 37 people with less than 26 on their ACT? Obviously, they bring something to the campus. Not to mention, for my situation, I have accomplished great feats and overcame numerous adversities, but I do not make them all known on a Chance Thread. Moreover, do you need proof? Yes, you actually do. Yale sends out a supplement asking you trace your lineage. Schools are not about raising their numbers in minority acceptances, but rather creating a diverse campus.</p>

<p>Back to my thread. Chance anyone?</p>

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<p>just to add on to wowie’s nice post:
andy, you claim to have worked harder because you took more ap classes-HAH
you dont know how to prove that, first off, and secondly, it is not always true. It may be, but it may not. Look around and you may see that the world is not revolving around you.</p>

<p>but i no longer want to insult you this is unfair to wowie, who merely wanted a us to chance her</p>

<p>i’d say most of those are reaches for anyone, especially the ivy league and others of the sort, but northeastern is probably a sure bet for you</p>

<p>if accepted to all, which school would you choose?</p>

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<p>Based on my personal choice, I’d go with Brown or UPENN, but with parental and outside forces in the equation, I’d end up at Harvard. To be honest, I’d be happy at any of the schools I applied to. The IVY’s I decided were a good option because I would be able to get an education without massive loans. Dartmouth extended my deadline, so I decided to apply there also. They have been sending me stuff for a little over a year and then decided to extend my deadline, so it will be funny if that’s the one that accepts me haha.</p>

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<p>Firstly, I will be the first in my family to actually go to college. Father came from Turkey and dropped out of middle school there. Mother graduated high school but never went to college. </p>

<p>You want to talk about diversity of different cultures? I’m half Greek, half Turkish- One of the most odd combinations of nationality-and also having one of the most richest cultures in the mediterranean/middle east- I would love to put down Greek and Turkish on my application. Unfortunately there is no section of the application that allows me to specify. Theres only the traditional are you of Latino origin? yes or no, if not please specify African American/Black Pacific Islander/Asian and of course… White. So in a way, I’m underrepresented. The Adcom views me as “white”-not Turkish nor Greek. Heck they’d look at me like any other white nationality. So tell me. How is that diversity? It’s not like I’m of anglo-saxen decent that has had lineages of family going to Harvard since the 1800s. My earliest ancestor that came to the US was my mother’s father. 70 years ago.</p>

<p>And when you mention “diversity” what do you mean by that? Do you mean by skin color or by cultures/tradition? Because the majority of African Americans don’t even know what country in Africa their ancestors came from. Majority of them have assimilated into the American culture. They’re no different in culture than the whites who have been in the US for 300 years!..So what kind of “diversity” are you talking about?</p>

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<p>Killermonkey- I can prove that. She took 9 and I took 11. Case closed.</p>

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<p>Affirmative action is reverse discrimination. Yeah, enough said.</p>

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<p>Haha. You complain URM are getting a leg up in admissions, but you aren’t angry about how you are getting advantage as being a first generation? The irony…</p>

<p>Like I said before, there are flaws in the system, but are you kidding me? You are angry because you can’t claim yourself as an URM? Really? I am wrong to claim my URM status and apply to ivy leagues because you are unable to list your background? If you really thought it had that large of an influence on you, you would have wrote about in your essay, which adcoms WILL SEE and WILL UNDERSTAND.</p>

<p>And are you kidding me African Americans do not have a different culture than a Caucasian? This EXACTLY why you got rejected from Yale. How could you possibly state that in good humor? Wow. African Americans are treated and go through life entirely different than a Caucasian would. Diversity does not come in only skin color, race, but also in life experiences and challenges. African Americans are still discriminated in the work force and life in general. </p>

<p>I am not African American myself, but I completely understand an African American struggles. Personally, in my life I have faced racism since my childhood. I come from a multiracial family and look nothing like my mother. I am not of African American descent, but people still claim I am. My father was born in Cuba and is Cuban with Jamaican ancestry, but yet people still categorize me as African American female. I understand this, but the fact is I have faced struggles due to my race.</p>

<p>Not to mention, underrepresented minorities is a term coined by people. Underrepresented minorities if you want to get nit picky could be anybody given a certain situation. Greeks/Turkish have never been persecuted by America necessarily. America as a civilization has always discriminated against “people of color”. If you knew and understood American History, you could understand why college admissions are this way.</p>

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<p>andyboy - </p>

<p>Please shut up. If you want to argue, go onto one of the dedicated AA threads. All Wowie asked for was for someone to chance her, not bi*** and moan and criticize her existence. </p>

<p>Yes, you may have a different opinion about diversity, and granted, it’s good argument, but THAT’S NOT THE FOCUS OF THIS THREAD. If you want to grill Wowie because of her (in your eyes) “unfair” advantage, then pm her. Otherwise, chance her like she originally asked.</p>

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<p>Wowie are you joking me? I remember hearing my grandmother talking about how badly the Greeks were treated years ago. We were viewed as disgusting, uncivilized and in the way she described it “half a human”. Same thing with every new nationality that began to settle in America. The Italians were in the same situation as the Greeks. Heck, the Jews had it worse than any of us. They still have it pretty bad with so much antisemitism going around. Yet you don’t see affirm. action working in their favor. At the same time Jews are some of the most successful people around. Literally 9 out of my 13 Jewish friends have parents who are doctors and the rest are also very rich and successful. They did that all without affirm. action. My grandfather lived in a little cramped apartment room with 6 other Greek roommates for 13 years when he was in America. Greeks were forced into the most dilapidated apartments back then. Yet he still managed to get out of that slump and jump start his business. But like I said, Italians, Greeks, Jews never had things like “affirm action” to help them in the workforce. They did it through hard work, regardless of the situation they were in. During/after the holocaust, the traumatized Jews came to America. Yet they still succeeded regardless of what they went through. So why can’t URMs do the same as the Jews without the help of affirm. action?</p>

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<p>WOW is all I have to say. WOW. My dad also came from Cuba and has made him self from nothing. One or two examples can’t act as a representation of an entire race.</p>

<p>“So why can’t URMs do the same as the Jews without the help of affirm. action?” You aren’t in their position. You can’t compare Jews to African Americans or Italians to Cubans. Each race has a different struggle. To be entirely honest, at the moment Hispanics and African Americans as a whole are what are suffering in American society currently. </p>

<p>Stop posting in my thread please. This is a chance thread not a lets complain that I’m not a URM.</p>

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<p>BTW one more thing…Who said ALL African Americans are underrepresented and unfairly treated? On the same note, why would they generalize on one or 2 races? What if they’re were a considerable number of whites underrepresented? Went through economic hardship, low social status, went to crap school, had parents that were white trash drunks? You know, this isn’t uncommon WHATSOEVER. there are NUMEROUS towns on Long Island I can mention that have “trailer-trash” parents who neglect their kids. Then how are those kids reached? Because affirm. action generalizes by saying only African Americans and Latinos are badly underrepresented. SO only AAs and Latinos will get the affirm action benefits and not the underrepresented poor white folks. Yes its true, there are more underrepresented AAs and hispanics than whites. But there are still a GOOD amount of whites that are underrepped.</p>

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<p>I DO NOT DISPUTE ANY OF THIS. This is how the American college system is. If you feel it is unfair, go to college out of the country. </p>

<p>The fact is you claim “Why can’t AA and Hispanics get by just as the Jews did”, they were treated unfairly. On the same note, "Why can’t you get into Yale even if the “URM are taking your spot”? Plenty of white and asians get into Ivy’s, so why can’t you?</p>

<p>It’s the same argument. Get a life and get out of my thread.</p>

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<p>One or two examples? All of my grandfathers roommates back then became successful. They went on becoming engineers, architects and went into the ship business. One of them happened to become a shipping tycoon. Jews too…theres more then just a few examples…and also…the time period in which my grandfather grew up…was just as bad for his people as todays time period is for AAs and hispanics</p>

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<p>So theres NO excuse for URMs not being successful because the American society today is pushing them down …Affirm action is acting like a crutch for URMs…</p>