<p>Hmm... okay.</p>
<p>Then llpitch is definitely a safe match for Berkeley and UCLA then.</p>
<p>I wouldn't even say safe match. His stats are somewhat normal for an OOS. (OOS = much like Stanford, etc.) His scores are obviously the most impressive, but Berkeley doesn't care about scores nearly as much as GPA. His ECs are a little weak, which might make Berkeley somewhat difficult. (Given the context, though...)</p>
<p>Yeah Berk and UCLA are like getting into Harvard OOS :S</p>
<p>Okay, maybe it's because I'm a CA resident and it's ridiculously easy to get into Berk and UCLA for us or something, but I can't imagine UCB and UCLA being Stanford and Harvard level for OOS. That's just bs. The difference in admission isn't THAT bad. </p>
<p>And I can't imagine someone who'd choose UCLA over Stanford/Harvard, especially out of state where the tuition difference is minor.</p>
<p>It is because you live in Cali. I used to live in Cali and I remember thinking getting into Berk and UCLA wasn't hard but after reading threads where amazing applicants got rejected from Berk/UCLA the only reason I could see was because of them being OOS.</p>
<p>It may not be as hard as getting into HYPS but it's only one level lower.</p>
<p>"Okay, maybe it's because I'm a CA resident and it's ridiculously easy to get into Berk and UCLA for us or something"</p>
<p>No, it isn't. People claim that it is because they sometimes see some "stupid" people getting in, but they're very, very difficult now. People with 2250+ or 2300+, great GPA, great ECs, etc. get rejected more and more often.</p>
<p>"I can't imagine UCB and UCLA being Stanford and Harvard level for OOS. That's just bs. The difference in admission isn't THAT bad."</p>
<p>Not imaginative, eh? Check out the 'actual results' threads and the stats profiles; I've seen many really awesome OOSers get rejected. (More than a few times I've seen people get into Stanford but not Berkeley.)</p>
<p>People really underestimate how difficult it is to get into the top UCs (which have 45k+ applicants, so they have to be selective).</p>