Chance for Nescac however one weakness

<p>I am a 11th grader and I am looking to play lacrosse. I have gained strong interest from NESCACs and Ivies to play lacrosse. I have sent my sophomore transcript and they say I am academically competitive for admission. However, freshman year I didn't do so well and had a 3.44 uw/ 3.94 w with one c. However, since then I have had a 3.85- 3.9 uw with all honors and APs. I am about to take the SAT and I think for these schools I will need atleast a 2000.</p>

<p>My questions are:
1) Will my freshman grades hurt me even though I have received stellar grades since then. Maybe a PG could replace these bad freshman grades
2) And what SAT scores and GPA do typical top nescac and ivy league admitted athletes have which I should shoot for?</p>

<p>Thanks and look forward to your responses!</p>

<p>Hi! Congrats on being recruited by such great schools! I was also being recruited by Ivies and NESCACs, as well as UAAs. I was being heavily recruited by Middlebury and Williams for softball, and I had similar stats to you. I actually got a C during my sophomore year, but coach wasn’t worried at all. I got a 32 ACT, so if you can get a 2000 SAT or maybe higher, you shouldn’t worry at all. I would aim for 2050 SAT or 30 ACT just to be safe. But if you’ve gotten a preread and coach says you look good, I would try to relax. Although I decided on a UAA (WashU in St. Louis), it is pretty much the same requirements. </p>

<p>So in conclusion, don’t fret about the C, and just keep your grades up and where they’re at now! Good luck wherever you end up!</p>

<p>gschultz,</p>

<p>My two cents…What happened in the past, happened in the past. Every Ivy and NESCAC is different, so keep that in mind. Every sport is different, and every coach is different in terms of what they are looking for. Never forget that you are competing against recruits with similiar skills and similiar grades, so you can’t afford another “C” and you may have to compensate for it with outstanding SATS/ACTs and your lacrosse/athletic ability.</p>

<p>You need to do three things to remain in the conversation with these schools. First, really bear down on your academics by improving every year with the most rigorous classes. Get A’s. No C’s. Second, nail your SATs/ACTS. Shoot for 2100 and make the AdComms at these schools not question your ability to do well at their school. Lastly, continue to improve your lacrosse skills, and get very serious about training and showcasing your skills. I’d get in front of more Ivys and more Nescac schools to increase your chances dramatically. You only get one shot at this. Good luck.</p>

<p>Fenwaysouth,
Since that C during freshman year I have had all As in honors and Aps. But are you saying that the one c during freshman year could hold me back from getting a good pre read or gaining admission at top nescacs or some ivies?</p>

<p>I don’t think you should stress over one C in a freshman class. I had a C in a sophomore class as well as a weak freshman year but showed lots of upward trend overall, getting all A’s my junior year with a tough course load, and ended up with positive pre reads in multiple nescacs and ivies and was eventually admitted to Dartmouth.</p>

<p>gshultz,</p>

<p>Don’t get me wrong, I think you’re doing the right things. Probably it (the “C”) will not hold you back, but the possibility is there for it to hold you back in some situations. Some majors within Ivy colleges are more competitive than others, and some Ivys/NESCACs are more competitive overall than others. Also, you don’t know who you are competing against for a spot on that team. If there is another athlete with equal skills, equal SATS, equal class rigor but no C’s then I think you may lose that battle. Again, I think you are aware of the situation and doing all the right things to better position yourself. When I’m hiring candidates for positions in my company, I want people who are trending up in their careers.</p>

<p>Recruiting will start to get very serious for you once you take the SAT/ACT. Right now, they (Ivys/NESCACS) are looking at many hundreds of kids and keeping the lines of communication open. Once the standardized scores are in, the recruiting dynamic changes based on how you did and how desirable your athletic skills are. They may be happy with your score, they may want you to take them again, or the communication may stop…it is a numbers thing. This is why I strongly advocate that you try to get recruited by as many Ivy/NESCAC/other schools as possible. The coaches are recruiting hundreds of kids, you need to diversify as well.</p>

<p>My experience is with baseball. Son was recruited by Ivy/NESCAC and other mid-level D1s. I’m guessing triplejumper’s experience is with Ivy track. Lacrosse is going to be similiar but different. You will be compared to the other lacrosse recruits (by position) with regards to academics and athletics. Each school has set number of roster spots, and slots available for recruited athletes. It may be that you have the grades/SAT and athletic ability to get into an Ivy on your own without the coaches help. That is the best possible situation for you, and one you should strive for IMHO. It gives you choices and leverage.</p>

<p>I think if you do those three things I noted in my previous post, you won’t have to worry about one grade. You’ll have your pick if you have the athletic talent.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>Fenwaysouth:</p>

<p>Just a quick question do you think people who apply (without athletics pull) can get into ivies and top schools with one c during freshman year but the rest of the grades are basically all A’s.</p>

<p>gschultz,</p>

<p>The answer is always…“it depends”. IMHO the blunt answer is yes, but it depends on what freshmen class was that you got the “C” in, what college within the university you are applying into, do you have other “hooks” other than athletics? </p>

<p>I’d bet there are many Ivy/NESCAC athletes that have received a “C”, but there are also many who have not. Conversely, I’m willing to bet there are very, very few non-athletes who were accepted into the most competitive schools in the world with a “C”. Your best strategy is to seek athletic recruitment from many schools, continue getting “A’s” and nail that SAT. You’re going to be fine.</p>

<p>Your best chance for admission is to be a recruited athlete that doesn’t need the coaches help with Admissions Committee. The second best chance is to be a recruited athlete that uses the coaches help with AdComm. The third best chance is Early Decision without athletics. The worst option is Regular Decision with the rest of the applicant pool where it becomes more difficult to differentiate yourself. </p>

<p>Your lacrosse skills can also play a major part of this equation, and we really haven’t discussed that. If your lacrosse skills are above what the Ivys/NESCAC look for then you have a leg up, and the coach will be more willing to advocate for you. You’re grades are very very good, however your lacrosse skills are an extremely important part of this too.</p>

<p>one “C” freshman year won’t hurt you as long as you don’t get any more and agreed you should shoot for a 2100 on SAT.</p>

<p>As a parent, I went through this process with my S (at NESCAC colleges for a helmet sport) last summer. I would HIGHLY emphasize on having a broader reach/approach with all your NESCAC/IVY college coaches and recommend that you methodically go through this long process. Please don’t confuse NESCAC/IVY leagues with other finer schools that are equally and maybe even better academically. I am just using the NESCAC/IVY in this context as an example of two groups of great schools, and as all the readers know, there are many fine schools that play in other divisions. That said you need to cast a wide net and heavily market yourself, get to know the head coaches, assistant coaches, and most importantly the recruiting coaches responsible for your geography. As others pointed out, you need to stay focused on your academics and make sure that your ACT is north of 30-31 (although some LECs super score the ACT). You need mostly A’s in AP courses and should take at least 3 APs in your senior year (the general rule of thumb is to take as many AP courses that you can score A in them). You also need to take your ACT (or SAT) test in early spring of your senior year, in time to have the score ready for upcoming summer camps (see below).
You need to make highlight films of your junior and senior years (take a look at [Easy</a>, affordable, powerful coaching software - Hudl](<a href=“http://www.hudl.com%5DEasy”>http://www.hudl.com) site if your school coach has already signed up, it is the easiest and most cost effective way to produce your highlights). You should also fill out the “athletic recruit” form on every NESCAC/IVY college web site before you sign up for their on-day summer camp. This is one way for the NESCAC college coaching staff to build their recruit data base (they have access to other data bases as well). Once you send your information to the colleges, you will receive “form responses” and often get “updates” from the coaches. A typical NESCAC “helmet sport” recruit data base has as many as 1,500 names to start with, and they end up actively focusing on selected 60+ per “helmet sport”. They go from 60 to even a lesser number of “spots”, “supports”, and LL (in case of IVY only). It is a grueling and long process but you just need to stick with it if you are utterly determined to use LAX as your “hook”. At the end of the day the NESCAC/IVY coaches are looking for highly motivated and great students that can equally play well on the field! It is not the other way around for these very selective colleges.
Sign up for the NE, Harvard and individual LEC/IVY one-day sessions (as many as you can afford). This is your marketing opportunity but you need to be physically, skill wise, academically, and mentally ready for these camps. It takes a lot of effort and coordination to hit these summer camps. As luck would have it, lots of enthused parents and student-athletes leverage the summer before senior year as an opportunity to visit colleges and these sports camps. These camps are sometimes oversubscribed but this is how you get noticed by the coaches. You need to prepare your “profile” (consists of resume with your picture on it, transcript with list of courses you will be taking in your senior year, ACT/SAT test score, and AP test scores if available). Once on a college campus, make sure you introduce yourself to the coaching staff, have a 15-20 seconds introductory speech ready, hand out your “profile” and show energy, enthusiasm, and as much team work as you can during your short visit. Your parents also need to get to know these coaches and start a dialogue. As they say, “it takes a village”! Once the camp is over, send a “thank you note” to the coaching staff and identify with them how much you learned, and how you feel about their program. Now you are ready to send periodic “updates” in response to the emails that you will receive from college coaches (see above paragraph). Make sure you have your thumb nail photo as part of your signature block. All these coaches are overwhelmed with emails and voice mails. A photo will jug their memory about who you are (every little thing counts).
You can also be invited for a “recruit day” before and/or after your one-day camps. Some colleges (like Middlebury) will go to different camps but they don’t have a camp of their own. Instead, they invite some student-athletes to attend their “recruit day” and this is when they put out a very nice “dog and pony” show to further their recruiting process. If they are interested in you, they may ask for your commitment and encourage you to apply ED. (Please read the next paragraph for details about how to qualify their interests).
Now the waiting game starts around late August (for football and Spring of Junior year for LAX). Coaching staff will start to contact student-athletes that fit their needs. Of course, by now you should have a good feel about the level of interest that you received during one-day camps, recruit days, or simply your visits. Be aware that if they are really interested they ask for your stats (GPA, ACT, SAT, AP scores, number of AP courses, and transcripts) for a pre-read at the Admissions office. Also be aware, that most good coaches keep their cards close to their vest and don’t volunteer too much information about where you stand on their priority list, unless you are on top of it. That said, you need to understand when and under what circumstances they will send your academic information to the Admissions office for a pre-read. Again, most of the coached don’t commit to you unless they get thumbs up from the admissions. They equally encourage you to do ED I because they have the most pull. However, you need to ask probing questions about the coaches’ track record and their past performance with the admission office before you commit to any ED. As you may have read on CC, there are a number of cases where a student-athlete thought s/he is “in” but the opposite happened. To hedge your bets, don’t burn bridges with other schools that have an interest in you but be honest with them because honesty will go a long way in this process. Don’t forget to do a “quality” essay! Some student-athletes think that because there is a “favorable” pre-read and the coach really wants her/him that means that they are “in”. Well, the ultimate decision will be made by the Admissions office and the committee that reads your application materials. Remember that these are very selective colleges and there is no shortage of great and qualified applicants waiting at their door steps. Do yourself a favor and work on your essays as if you don’t have any athletic “hook”.<br>
If you decide to do an ED with school of your choice, and there is one (or more) school that is trying to recruit you (and they also did a favorable pre-read), let their coaches know. That does not mean that they will keep a slot open for you indefinitely but the coaches are in the same position as you, and they are trying to get commitment from student-athletes at the same time. College coaches also lose good student-athletes to competing colleges, so in a way it is like a game of “musical chair”! At the end, you need to have a fall back plan and have your application ready in a stand-by mode for other colleges in case your ED does not pan out. As I mentioned above, get in touch with other coaches that may have an interest in you. There may be an opportunity to do EDII, or RD with other coaches. There are only two weeks between 12/15 (when ED acceptance/rejections/deferred) news comes out and when most RD, or EDII applications are due on 1/1. You are in charge of your destiny and can’t afford to miss the opportunity for RD. Good luck.</p>

<p>Nice post John1284!</p>