Chance me for Brown, Dartmouth, and Bowdoin?

<p>White Female Junior from NY</p>

<p>Unweighted GPA: 97.7
Weighted GPA: 98.6</p>

<p>Highest SAT:
One Sitting- 680-CR 720-M 670-W
Superscore- 680-CR 730-M 670-W Total: 2070 >.<</p>

<p>SAT II:
Bio: 780
Chem: 760
Probably taking US, Math 2, or both in the Spring</p>

<p>Extracurriculars (12th grade things are all speculation):
Science Olympiads- 9,10, 11-Secretary, 12-Most likely President
Future Educators- 10, 11- Executive Board (we don't have officers in the club but like 10 kids on the E-board), 12- Executive Board Again
Vocal Jazz- 9,10, 11,12
Tri-M (Music Honors Society)- 10,11,12</p>

<p>Other:
Columbia SHP</p>

<p>Volunteer/Service Work:
Mostly sporadic events but this summer I will hopefully get to do some volunteer work at Stony Brook Hospital</p>

<p>Honors and Awards:
High Honor Roll- 9, 10, 11, (most likely 12)
Siemens Semifinalist
National Merit Commended? (205 PSAT)</p>

<p>Summer programs:
Rising 10th - CTY
Rising 11th - Brown Precollege then did research at Stony Brook for about a month
This summer- Will be doing research at Stony Brook U all summer with possibly the volunteer job I mentioned before</p>

<p>AP Tests:
Euro-5 (only AP core class we were allowed to take before junior year)</p>

<p>Current Course Load:
AP US
AP Chem
AP Physics B
AP Lang
Honors Math 12 (sort of like precalc)
Honors Spanish IV
Research 10/11
Chorus</p>

<p>Brown is my top school right now and what I've seen from the website Bowdoin is a close second and I will hopefully get to visit over the break. I don't really know all that much about Dartmouth other than the fact that they pay close attention to undergrads which I like.</p>

<p>Also can you suggest some safeties? I’m from NY so which SUNY would be best for a pre-med but interested in more than just STRAIGHT science?</p>

<p>I also forgot Spanish Club and Spanish Honors Society 10-12</p>

<p>I guess no one wants to let me down :P</p>

<p>bump 10char</p>

<p>I think you are a competitive applicant, but Dartmouth and Brown are still going to be reaches. Bowdoin is more of a high match, but is still difficult to get into. Sorry I am not really sure about safeties. Good luck!</p>

<p>Well, if you can get all 4s and 5s on your current AP exams that would offset your SAT score. To be honest, with that score, unless you are a recruited athlete, Bowdoin, Dartmouth, and Brown are all reaches. I guess just try to make your app special -great essays, great recs.</p>

<p>all three of those schools look like reaches. perhaps u’ll fare better at bowdoin. good luck</p>

<p>I don’t know what to do. I seriously have EVERYTHING else and I’m really involved in my research which I will probably write my essay about. I’m just incapable of SATs which is stupid because they don’t measure anything other than how well you can take the test. Hopefully my ACTs will fare better >.<
I know I’m capable than many more Ivy-acceptees considering my friend who just got into Yale is failing AP Chem while I have a 98 average… and shes going to be a Biochem major. In fact, I’m one of the only people in the class with a test average above a 90. In addition, I’ve gone pretty far with research and I have a chance at Salutorian. Many people in my school with SATs MUCH higher than mine have GPAs at least 1 or 2 full pts lower. It’s just not fair how one test counts so much!</p>

<p>Are my ECs and everything else at least up to par? Ignoring the SATs</p>

<p>i’m not sure, i mean, i don’t want to burst your bubble, but your ECs, while they suggest success within the narrow world of your high school, don’t come across as interesting. meaning, i seriously don’t think you have EVERYTHING else. in fact, i don’t think you quite know, really, what the thing you need IS to begin with. the things you’ve done, and done well, sound rather typical of applicants at top schools. and as an applicant to these schools you’ll need to be atypical in some respect (your friend who’s failing chem - what did she write for her essay? does she have provocative ideas about a hobby she’s interested in? is her mom an alumna?, etc.). admissions officers are human, and practiced at their jobs. they’ll likely be attracted to an applicant with a secret passion before they would an applicant who checked every box of what good students and citizens do. it’s a strange thing. your ECs look good, but that’s a NECESSARY condition to your acceptance, not a sufficient one. your SATs, i fear, given what i can understand from your post is your demographic background, are not strong enough to warrant acceptance at brown and dartmouth, because your ECs aren’t different enough. brown certainly looks beyond the test more than dartmouth, but looks to find students who are truly different. i’d say you’re SATs put you in the middle of the pack of submitters at bowdoin, but that’s a small comfort, when they accept so few people.</p>

<p>hopefully your essay will be a window into who you are, but i get the feeling that you’ve spent many years succeeding at what’s been put in front of you, that you may not have a good sense of who you are. but there are ways to understand a bit of yourself, still, and put that kernel in your essay. it will be better, i assure you, than any bland reason you can think of for doing what you’ve already done in high school. (don’t have bland reasons? good! i hope so. prove me wrong. but most reasons for those things you’ve done are bland.). </p>

<p>that said: what will you do this summer? what is your passion? (i know that’s a hard question to answer; maybe: what do you dream about? OTHER THAN going to brown? what did you dream about as a kid?). can you begin the process of thinking critically and deeply about your dreams and wants? are you adventurous? can you do something adventurous this summer? will your parents let you take a trip? have you ever been to nepal / el savador / south africa? do you engage in the world? are you political? do you have a faith? have you thought critically and deeply about your faith? have you read books outside of what you’re required to read? have you spent whole nights awake, engaged by an idea? do you do art? etc. </p>

<p>i understand the temptation to ‘find’ a perfect fit school but disagree deeply with the idea that it should happen BEFORE you’re admitted, particularly at these three schools. try to ease yourself down off the ivy / top LAC or bust bandwagon, see where you get in, THEN decide. there is no perfect fit until you get in. </p>

<p>i don’t mean this to come across as harsh, but i think there are a lot of students similar to you with identical dreams out there. and none of you will get into brown et. al. because you’ve been protected in life, to mean, you don’t know yourselves. this isn’t your fault, but if you can find a bit of agency to say to your parents: look, i need to do something outside my town or state, something outside the metrics of standardized testing and resume building, something that has nothing to do with getting into college but has everything to do with who i am. i think, then, if you can do one or two of those things, you’ll stand a better chance. </p>

<p>good luck.</p>

<p>I know someone similar who got accepted into Dartmouth. Honestly, they’re all reaches, but that’s not because of your skill and talent but the nature of the colleges themselves (Bowdoin is a little lower than Brown & Dartmouth though). They’re all fantastic schools and you never know who you’re up against. Good luck :slight_smile: it looks like you’re on the right track, ECs could demonstrate some leadership but you’re a strong applicant.</p>

<p>EDIT: I actually agree with the poster above; you demonstrate strong grades and SAT scores, but your personality has to shine through!</p>

<p>Chance me back? :slight_smile:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/862774-nyu-tisch-chances.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/862774-nyu-tisch-chances.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>thanks pb2002 but research is actually my passion (if you look at my ECs, the fact that i’m a siemens semifinalist, the fact that i will be doing research this summer, etc) but you are definitely right. i do feel sort of overprotected and like everything is handed to me, but i don’t know how to fix this. i can’t change my summer plans.</p>

<p>I think pb2002 was a bit harsh. I mean, we don’t know the extent or importance of your research and you have garnered a fair number of achievements. I think all are definitely reaches, but not completely unrealistic reaches (like a kid with a 1700 SAT applying to harvard- and plenty do). Bowdoin is SAT optional. Why not do that?</p>

<p>I think everyone is looking at these school as a little more selective than they really are. I believe you have a good chance of getting into at least one of the schools. If you get above a 32 on your ACT than you would have a very good chance of getting in. Your ECs are great. I would suggest writing your essay about something interesting (maybe about interesting things you discovered from your research, and how you will apply it to…whatever). Try maybe playing a sport or two aswell. Good luck!</p>

<p>Honestly, I say you are DEFINITELY in at Bowdoin, I live like half an hour away from it and well, I know someone who wasn’t half as good as you that got in! Also, Brown is a match, for sure, and same for Dartmouth, I wish you the best of luck you’re amazing!!</p>

<p>Okayy so I’m bumping this thread because I got some scores recently.
APs - (In total with junior and soph year) 3 5’s and 2 4’s
Math II - 790
ACT - 34</p>

<p>I’m not doing the volunteer thing, just the research thing. BTW I have faced some pretty tough things in my life; I just would rather not discuss them on an internet forum.</p>

<p>Also, my rank is approx 8/350 (It was higher but my GPA went down a bit, like maybe .1 weighted, due to the overload of APs so I’m assuming I moved down 2-3 spots although it’s possible my rank stayed the same). The 8/350 is with the assumption I’ve moved down, not without.</p>

<p>Oh and that <em>probably</em> president of science olympiads turned into a definite president</p>

<p>Your research will take you a long way. Siemens semifinalist is no easy feat. Try out SUNY-Binghamton and SUNY-Geneseo as safeties. Definitely apply to Johns Hopkins, Duke, and Williams for they have great pre-med programs.</p>